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I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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zeristor wrote: post #143
kgeist wrote: post #99

The Old Norse word for Saturday, laugardagr, literally means "washing day". This custom still survives here in countryside Eastern Europe where many people routinely go to sauna (banya) every Saturday (or Sunday like my family). Before the 20th century, a lot of Eastern Europe (especially Russia) still lived like they lived in the middle ages: 95% of the country were serfs on feudal property living in traditional woo…

“Old Believers” interesting in itself: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Believers

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Post by meepmorp »

simonsarris wrote: post #2

ughh I dislike when pop history takes this smarmy tone and is also not particularly accurate. > In fact soap is a motherfucking medieval invention. Yes. It is. The Romans – whomst I don’t see a bunch of basics going around accusing of being filthy – did not, in fact have soap, in contrast. They usually washed using oil. Medieval people? Oh you better believe that they had soap. Wait a minute, what about Aleppo soap?…

> ughh I dislike when pop history takes this smarmy tone and is also not particularly accurate.

Smarmy means excessively or fulsomely flattering.

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Post by prox »

verisimi wrote: post #184
prox wrote: post #154

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In West Europe at least you get ecclesiastical records from the early 16th century onwards. In it are usually the names of the ones baptized, the parents and sometimes the ones witnessing (often the godmother/father but not always) Futher records to piece together their lives are tax records, registries (like doing inventories for the government) and you have guilds and orders who wrote things down. From simple bookk…

> My own ancestors in the 17th/early 18th century died from 6 different deceases and floods and harsh winters. There were “poor hunters” , hunters who kept out the poor from the village. I am amazed you were able to deduce the above, via the use of ecclesiastical records, tax records, registries, etc. As an aside, what is a "poor hunter"? You write the term as if it a type of profession, but could it be that they liv…

Oh absolutely, there might be a bias in some the ways we look at them, but there is also a lot who can say without doubt (as in did person X live there —-not much bias about that for instance) or what kind of foods did they eat (also a lot of documentation about those things)

Recently I had a back and forth with a German historian and German history is a lot more less prone to filling in the gaps, where as in the anglicized sphere there is a bit more interpretation/extrapolation (in the academia)

A “poor hunter” was someone hired by the community (usually the towns council I believe) to keep the poor, the beggars and so on from the lands and homes. It was a profession! Some people had multiple jobs, and this could be one of them.

Doing genealogical research is great to do because you get out of the big scope of things and you follow your family through time into a historic context. It’s a long way from the broad strokes you learn at school, and it gets personal. I highly recommend it for anyone to do!

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Post by ahtihn »

kumarvvr wrote: post #124
origin_path wrote: post #120

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But surely by that definition Europe was also a unified entity in the medieval period.

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> Christianity is so young, it hasn't had the time to develop into a serious religion.

This is complete nonsense.

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Post by hef19898 »

kumarvvr wrote: post #122
nwiswell wrote: post #47

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Very good. Page 68: > In ancient times, distinction was made between several different categories of farmers. There were those who cultivated their own land, those who had it cultivated by wage-earning laborers, and those who leased their land to 'metayers', farmers who paid rent in kind, in this case half the harvest and crop. There were few big landlords, and the largest estates nearly all belonged to the king, tha…

> Lest we think these ancient peasants ever actually had it good before the foreigners showed up They sure as hell had it much worse after the invaders, looters and religious fanatics wreaked havoc in the region for 1000 years.

Poor, landless peasants had a hard life everywhere, regardless of whom they served. Believing otherwise means you are lying to yourself.

The caste system, as all similar systems that existed in all kinds of places throughout history, is one of the worst, inhuman and unjust social systems that currently exists. It is basically apartheid based on religion and history. It is carried over from centuries ago, and right now all progress that was made in abolishing it is rolled back by higher caste Indian nationalists to score political points. And the latter part has nothing to do with colonialism and all the shitty things the British did in India.

No country needs foreigners to screw things up, societies are quite at doing all of this themselves.

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Post by palmetieri2000 »

OJFord wrote: post #173
palmetieri2000 wrote: post #170

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I'm sorry but I don't see how the original comment did any of those things... it doesn't even make mention of any of the topics you have listed.

Well, not to take a side here, but it wouldn't, would it? The topics GP listed are (allegedly) 'continuing bad things from past', so why would someone with 'pride in their past' mention them?

Where has this 'pride in their past' narrative come from except for the comment that lists those topics? The comment I appreciated kumarvvr posting makes no proclamations about pride or India or Hinduism, it talks about cleaning practices and traditional herbs almost exclusively.

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Post by kumarvvr »

kortilla wrote: post #123
kumarvvr wrote: post #30

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> We've all seen women in third world countries carrying water for cooking and drinking on their heads, often long distances This aspect of 3rd world countries is commented upon again and again. But, what I find most amusing is that in modern times, water comes to your home, but you go to the gym to slog it out for an hour. Just waster your energy that you over ate the day before. Its true that women used to carry wa…

People had a much worse life expectancy back than. Babies frequently died. Treatable illnesses were just death sentences (e.g. type 1 diabetes). > Modern living in convenient, but not healthy. Is luxurious, but not cheap. Is plentiful, but not sustainable. You’re very confused if you think the way people lived in India 1000 years ago was sustainable. Packing up the village when a well ran dry should hint at something…

By sustainability, I meant environmental sustainability. Indians cooked in earthen pots, ate in banana leaves, wore hand woven clothes and the local economies were largely self sufficient.

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Post by hef19898 »

kumarvvr wrote: post #106
prox wrote: post #96

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Speaking to some people from India, and my own readings what combined their society was a couple of things : a deep connection to the traditions such as the vedas, sanskrit, gods, brahmanism. And even if there was divergence, it was usually with a deep respect for what had gone before. So surely while there was a lot of cultural divergence, there was also a lot of things that made it into the India we see today. Some…

True. There were a multitude of kings, queens and kingdoms across India, but the study and spread of the cultural and literary roots of India happened all across the sub-continent. That is why, even today, the same chants used in temples in the north, are used in the south. The text, meanings, rituals, practices, etc, may have taken a regional flavor, but the essence is the same, the core is the same and the philosop…

Map covering the different languages spoken in modern India:

https://www.mapsofindia.com/maps/india/indianlanguages.htm

Re: I assure you, medieval people bathed (2019)

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Post by eastbound »

kgeist wrote: post #165
darkerside wrote: post #158

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How is one bathed in an oven?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_stove "As well as warming and cooking, Russian stoves were used for bathing. Once the stove became hot the burning wood was removed, and cast iron containers were put into the stove and filled with water. That allowed people to bathe inside of the stove. A grown man can easily fit inside, and during World War II some people escaped the Nazis by hiding in the stoves."

> escaped the Nazis by hiding in the stoves

If I understand, the iron containers myst have been extremely hot, how do you walk in? Did the nazis dismiss the possibility of hiding there because it was already hot like an oven?

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