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Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by Covzire »

klipklop wrote: post #157
iconhacker wrote: post #146

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Only when provoked by US.

Provoked by an old lady flying in and giving a few speeches? That is one rather weak provocation. Compare that to the CCP launching missiles over the island of Taiwan. Who is provoking whom?

China does look very weak when they behave exactly like North Korea does. They think it's a show of strength, and in a way it is, but it's also a dangerous weakness stemming from fear and insecurity, the kind that may start WW3 some day, and China and particularly the CCP will be wiped off the face of the earth, along with a lot of us.

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Post by LunaSea »

klodolph wrote: post #19
jeswin wrote: post #10

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It is interesting because it exposes Apple, which as a company often tries to present itself as a champion of freedom, and other modern values. Yet as is reaffirmed here (and previously with AppStore etc), when profits are involved it is willing to overlook the most egregious forms of injustice and violence. Literally every tech company stands up for good causes like BLM and LGBTQ+ rights; but the true measure of cou…

So we… expect Apple to break the law in China in order to make some kind of moral stand? And that moral stand is over the sovereignty of a country? Even though the US government, with vastly more resources at its disposal and more ability to withstand the consequences of Chinese anger, does not make this stand?

Maybe Apple shouldn't be in China then?

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by unity1001 »

ericmay wrote: post #51
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

"Liberalization" in trade was always a farce. The US itself always had applied tariffs and importation quotas to even its closest trade partners and allies. "Free trade" is a PR speak that is used when pressuring other governments to open up their economy. Not your own.

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Post by frozencell »

the_duke wrote: post #87
ericmay wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, an alternative interpretation would be that Apple (like much of the world) is in a no-win situation because an assumption that they had (like much of the world) was that investment, fair trade, and bringing China into the established international organizations would result in liberalization (within reason) of China and that they'd be a full partner in global stability. The grand bargain. But instead the CCP re…

Alternative view: Apple has spent many years happily profiting from cheap Chinese manufacturing, labor, electrial engineering expertise and supply chains to the point where they are now completely beholden to a foreign country. A country whose increasing rivalry with the US in economic power and geopolitical influence (along with increased tensions) has been clear for well over a decade. Apple is diversifying a bit i…

Apparently [0] Apple is relocating production progressively in the US starting with Texas.

[0] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/09/apples-new-mac-pro-to...

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Post by sxg »

Retric wrote: post #160
cronix wrote: post #151

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Yes, they've been taking the profits and building their military at a fast rate for 20 years...to do...something.

China has the 2nd largest military budget but only spends 1.7% GDP on it vs the global average of 2.2% and US at 3.5%. India the worlds 3rd largest spender is between them at 2.7% GDP, and #4 the UK spends 2.2% GDP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_... I may strongly dislike China, but a relative lack of military spending is one of their strengths.

What about the NATO requirement to spend 2% of GDP on defense? Isn't it strategic for the US to spend disproportionately more on the military to support allies' militaries (e.g., South Korea) and prevent the rise of competing superpowers?

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_67655.htm

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Post by allendoerfer »

zozbot234 wrote: post #168
klipklop wrote: post #150

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There is a large faction in the US that supports Taiwan independence. This has nothing to do with your claims of colonialism. Some people just want Taiwan free from the CCP. Ask HK how great things are under unification.

> Some people just want Taiwan free from the CCP. The whole point of Taiwan's stance is that "Are the people of Taipei/Taiwan broadly Chinese, as a matter of culture and national history?" and "Should Taiwan be free from the CCP?" can in fact be separate questions. To many Taiwanese, support for "Taiwan independence" would be tantamount to denying their history and self-experienced identity. A very real sort of oppre…

> To many Taiwanese, support for "Taiwan independence" would be tantamount to denying their history and self-experienced identity. A very real sort of oppression.

Source?

I have Taiwanese sources stating the exact opposite. The Taiwanese youth does not want to be seen as Chinese.

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Post by helloworld97 »

bigcat12345678 wrote: post #190
BudaDude wrote: post #33

This should honestly be picked up by a larger news organization. If the US is serious about protecting Taiwan and bringing more chips to the US, Apple should be shamed for choosing Chinese profits. Imagine if Apple told Ukraine employees to label Russia on their badges.

You should educate yourself about the fact that PRC Taiwan and USA all legally recognize one China policy. China is not PRC, PRC is at best the only internationally recognized government of China. Even so there is still only one China. Of cuz, because of US are exceptional, US does not abide by the international law, so Pelosi visited Taiwan as a high level official from US. Apple need to operate in the boundary of l…

"Apple need to operate in the boundary of law. That's it."

Whose law? Whose norms? Apple may be a global company but it uses American sovereignty, intellectual property law, and influence on other sovereign nations with respect to protecting its wealth, even if a good chunk of it is generated overseas.

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Post by dwheeler »

Retric wrote: post #160
cronix wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, they've been taking the profits and building their military at a fast rate for 20 years...to do...something.

China has the 2nd largest military budget but only spends 1.7% GDP on it vs the global average of 2.2% and US at 3.5%. India the worlds 3rd largest spender is between them at 2.7% GDP, and #4 the UK spends 2.2% GDP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_... I may strongly dislike China, but a relative lack of military spending is one of their strengths.

China has the second largest military spending in the world, second only to the US. What's more, you really need to look at purchasing power parity (PPP). Basically, it costs less to do things in China, and that really matters for military spending. For example, soldiers in the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) receive far lower salaries than the equivalent US personnel. It's hard to figure out the true impact of this, but it's important to acknowledge. One article about this is here: https://voxeu.org/article/why-military-purchasing-power-pari... - which argues that US military spending is basically equal to Russia+China once that's considered. Also, there's geography to consider. If China is attacking next-door-neighbors while the US is trying to defend an ally at long distance, it would necessarily cost the US much more. All of this makes comparing military spending much more complicated, as well as depressing. It's my hope that military adventurism will be avoided.

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Post by mmis1000 »

joenot443 wrote: post #177
mmis1000 wrote: post #169

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> is invading if Taiwan abandon the stance. That is never the truth. They threat for armed attack like since forever 'everyday'. To the point people here just outright ignore their claim and do their daily work. If somebody even be serious about that. Then they would need live in the air-raid shelter everyday. But who would do that? > similar to a civil war Hell no, in my 30 years of live, I have nothing to do with P…

Thanks for chiming in! Always great to hear perspectives from people actually living in the places being discussed. If you had to guess, where do you expect TW/CH relations to be in 50 years? Do you still expect there to be disagreement between the two governments on respective borders and sovereignty or will they someday reach a fully amicable agreement?

I don't think there will be a agreement as long as China is still held by current government.

Although we still speak chinese. The culture already differs too much to the point that there isn't any belongingness in young people.

And thing that is more interest is. Statistically, the lower the age is, the lower the belongingness to PRC they have.

When people grows. The average belongingness will be even lower.

I think that is why PRC is so eager about that currently. 'Before everything is too late.'

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