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TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by tomc1985 »

withinboredom wrote: post #88
afiori wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Republic and democracy refer to two different axis. Republic is about how the vertex of government is structured. Democracy is about where the executive/legislative power comes from. The US is both, you could argue that Canada is not a republic as they have a recognized queen, but it would be a stretch as she has essentially zero power there.

They said they elect their leaders democratically which is simply not true no matter how you want to phrase it. The president is elected by an electoral college and not a democratic vote.

Do you really want to vote on every little bit of minutia that you would have to if this were a direct democracy?

There's an old game, Anachronox, that does a wonderful job of making fun of this when the player is on the planet Democratus. Worth a play if you haven't.

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Post by randomdata »

nixcraft wrote: post #5

There is lots of talk going around TikTok, especially now geopolitics has been added to this kind of discussion due to ongoing tensions between two giants. Instead of banning or removing the TikTok app, how about the US government put a firm privacy policy that forbids TikTok, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, Twitter and co from collecting excessive data on users? That would be a better solution, IMHO. Let users download…

TikTok is feared not because of privacy, but because it shows China can do tech too. America placed its economic bets on being a tech superpower and that is now under threat. Restricting American companies in the same way would only serve to also diminish tech in the US.

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Post by jjoonathan »

root_axis wrote: post #173
lghh wrote: post #153

TikTok makes me incredibly angry and I need to vent about it somewhere so I am going to vent about it here. I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. It really makes me angry. It feels like they are making a real attempt to take my agency away and to create a product that triggers me so viscerally that I can't keep away from it. I feel like I am intentionally being taken…

It's just a video app, exercise some self-discipline and self-accountability and uninstall the app.

They did.

Re: TikTok’s Poison Pill

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Post by raverbashing »

jrm4 wrote: post #187
root_axis wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a video app, exercise some self-discipline and self-accountability and uninstall the app.

Great if you're able to do that easily. Please understand that some of the most brilliant minds in the world get up in the morning usually somewhere in California, and work many hours in the day, and their literal job is to figure out how to subvert this.

reminds me that "the greatest minds at 1600 Amphitheater Parkway" made it harder to open your list of apps on Play Store but never mind

Open the list, select 'TikTok' and click 'Uninstall'

This is not to be demeaning. But if you're having too much trouble disconnecting from it, then that should be the way. You can still see videos in a browser.

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Post by Permit »

lghh wrote: post #153

TikTok makes me incredibly angry and I need to vent about it somewhere so I am going to vent about it here. I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact. It really makes me angry. It feels like they are making a real attempt to take my agency away and to create a product that triggers me so viscerally that I can't keep away from it. I feel like I am intentionally being taken…

> I have ADHD. TikTok is almost certainly designed in a way to directly exploit that fact.

Can you share any evidence that TikTok was designed to exploit people with ADHD? Where do you get such confidence for this claim?

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Post by carschno »

bigfudge wrote: post #167
adrianN wrote: post #126

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I care.

I do too, but statistically we are "nobody".

Given the lack of data, you might as well assume that you are not so special, and hence part of a statistically significant group.

I see the claim that nobody cares about democracy as another piece of right-wing propaganda.

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Post by system16 »

Sparkle-san wrote: post #179
root_axis wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just a video app, exercise some self-discipline and self-accountability and uninstall the app.

They clearly did uninstall it but "use some some-discipline" is pretty disingenuous given companies are abusing biological mechanisms to get people hooked on their apps. This is especially true for teenagers who are underdeveloped in the self-discipline department.

Replace TikTok with food, porn, or drugs. At some point the individual has to take responsibility for their actions and seek support if it's something they can't do on their own. Or we just ban everything.

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Post by jrm4 »

raverbashing wrote: post #194
jrm4 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great if you're able to do that easily. Please understand that some of the most brilliant minds in the world get up in the morning usually somewhere in California, and work many hours in the day, and their literal job is to figure out how to subvert this.

reminds me that "the greatest minds at 1600 Amphitheater Parkway" made it harder to open your list of apps on Play Store but never mind Open the list, select 'TikTok' and click 'Uninstall' This is not to be demeaning. But if you're having too much trouble disconnecting from it, then that should be the way. You can still see videos in a browser.

Preaching to the choir here, I don't do any social media on my phone at all.

But still, kind of unhelpful. What do we do about them?

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Post by throwawaylinux »

Teever wrote: post #73
throwawaylinux wrote: post #46

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How exactly would you word or enforce such a policy? What is a "bad habit"? Is fun or happiness addictive? Why might the puritan nanny state approach work better here than with alcohol, drugs, or abortion?

You hire the same kinds of people that these companies hire to design their products to be addictive and then you draft legislation banning the things that they say are addictive.

Ah, you'd set up the revolving door system of regulation the likes of which is used to ensure banks, stock markets, and military procurement don't operate against the public good. Well that takes care of "addictive".

Now how about "bad habits"? Have Republican politicians appoint their "experts" to draft it? Or perhaps your politics sway the other way and you'd prefer Democrats to appoint their experts, perhaps the Catholic Church, given the persuasion of their current leaders.

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Post by bogomipz »

drno123 wrote: post #164
soco wrote: post #54

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In this situation the diversification means also the CCP will know everything about you.

Yes, but in the last 20 years, US has actually invaded foreign countries (Afganistan, Iraq and Lybia), while PRC is only threatening to invade Taiwan.

The PRC is "only threatening" to invade Taiwan? By "only threatening" you mean by regularly sending war planes into Taiwan's Air Identification Defense Zone[1][2]? Do you really believe the line between "only threatening" and provoking is wide enough to not be of any concern? Also it's curious you left out the whole Uyghur Xinjiang internment camps thing out of your comparison between US and the PRC.

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61642217

[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58794094

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