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Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?

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Post by gujk » Sun, Nov 13, 2011, 3:53 PM UTC

jiggy2011 wrote: post #173

fredsanford wrote: post #160

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How long will Ubuntu have this user base if they keep pissing people off? Is it that hard to give the users who want the old shell in its usable form what they want? Benevolent Dictator is what Bill Gates somewhat pretended to be for years.

I'm not sure of Shuttleworth's credentials as the benevolent dictator/UI designer. He made his money selling SSL certificates in large quantities, I don't really think he is a Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. He reminds me more of the type of entrepreneur who makes his money then decides to buy an English Football club and run it into the ground. That's possibly unkind though, there was enough good work going into Ubuntu pr…

Something weird happened. Ubuntu used to be amazing: hr easy to install and use district, the world-changing help forums and wiki. Then Unity seemed to upendded everything. But look: MacOS is getting phased out by iOS. Google is converting all their apps to a touch-optimized UI that makes no sense on a desktop or laptop. Windows 8 is doing the same, and MS's TV ads trying to convince people to buy a touhscreen 27" monitor.

Maybe they are right, and the future of mass computing is in entertainment consumption and not productive work. Maybe the dream of a popular powerful OS is dead. Maybe it's time for power users to return to being a.nich

Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?

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Post by gujk » Sun, Nov 13, 2011, 4:02 PM UTC

jiggy2011 wrote: post #173

fredsanford wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long will Ubuntu have this user base if they keep pissing people off? Is it that hard to give the users who want the old shell in its usable form what they want? Benevolent Dictator is what Bill Gates somewhat pretended to be for years.

I'm not sure of Shuttleworth's credentials as the benevolent dictator/UI designer. He made his money selling SSL certificates in large quantities, I don't really think he is a Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. He reminds me more of the type of entrepreneur who makes his money then decides to buy an English Football club and run it into the ground. That's possibly unkind though, there was enough good work going into Ubuntu pr…

Something weird happened. Ubuntu used to be amazing: hr easy to install and use district, the world-changing help forums and wiki. Then Unity seemed to upendded everything. But look: MacOS is getting phased out by iOS. Google is converting all their apps to a touch-optimized UI that makes no sense on a desktop or laptop. Windows 8 is doing the same, and trying to convince people to buy a touhscreen 27" monitor.

Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?

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Post by fredsanford » Sun, Nov 13, 2011, 4:05 PM UTC

jiggy2011 wrote: post #173

fredsanford wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long will Ubuntu have this user base if they keep pissing people off? Is it that hard to give the users who want the old shell in its usable form what they want? Benevolent Dictator is what Bill Gates somewhat pretended to be for years.

I'm not sure of Shuttleworth's credentials as the benevolent dictator/UI designer. He made his money selling SSL certificates in large quantities, I don't really think he is a Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. He reminds me more of the type of entrepreneur who makes his money then decides to buy an English Football club and run it into the ground. That's possibly unkind though, there was enough good work going into Ubuntu pr…

The Bill Gates comparison was meant to illustrate the perception people had of him. Originally, (after his rant about people stealing his Basic for the... IMSI? Name escapes me) he was perceived as trying to do the things that the common man wanted. Remember the "Information at your fingertips" marketing crap?

Shuttleworth started out the same way, except with Linux instead of DOS/Windows, and now he's insisting on making unpopular changes because he thinks he can see the future. Remember when Gates believed there was no future in the Internet?

Anyway, I'm rambling so I'll stop here.

Re: Linux Mint: The new Ubuntu?

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Post by pettazz » Sun, Nov 13, 2011, 8:13 PM UTC

SlipperySlope wrote: post #48

pettazz wrote: post #34

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> This may not be possible on the next Ubuntu release. What, are they gonna stop making it based on Linux and move to something that can't run Gnome?

Gnome fallback is supposed to be a temporary feature of Ubuntu. Sorry - I can't easily find where I read that.

Yeah, but at what point does that stop the "power users" who seem to hate Unity from installing Gnome themselves? Hell, I removed Gnome entirely and replaced it with Xfce once. It's still Linux. Just because it comes with Unity preinstalled doesn't mean you're stuck with it.