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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by saiya-jin »

Cederfjard wrote: post #127
hnlmorg wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well in that case I hope you don't moan when the EU places heavy restrictions on the data harvesting that American companies do. I get the paranoia around China, I honestly do. I'm not at all unsupportive of the Chinese regime either. But this "one rule for us another for them" principle really needs to stop.

Why should it stop, as long as nations continue to pose threats to each other and their populations? I support both the US and the EU putting these restrictions in place (until such a time when everyone can be trusted, if ever).

Well first of all with this approach you will lose a lot of friends like EU (and australia, new zealand, south africa and gazillion more allies). US is not such trusty ally as it thinks it is already (ie all the spying on top european leaders, and thats just tip of iceberg).

US needs friends just like everybody else, alone it can project only so much influence. You don't keep friends by screwing them over continuously and having an untrustworthy upper hand over you all the time. And once we're not friends anymore, china may be an attractive alternative, whether you like it or not.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

uejfiweun wrote: post #184
pyinstallwoes wrote: post #174

Red flags ever since it was "breaking news" in the infosec community that TikTok collects "all information." It's sad at this point how much of a slave humanity is to vanity and social media. Social media is a higher risk to humanity than Climate Change. > When challenged if the CCP has seen any non-public user data, he said, “We have never shared information with the Chinese government nor would we […] Such easy mis…

You may want to google search "Sentient Program NRO". Yes, they've had some type of AI for quite a while, and they've openly admitted to it.

Kind of gives legitimacy to this weird thing I found a while back: https://postquantumhistoricalretrospective.blogspot.com/p/ti... heh. Eerie that it is a bingo on the satellite claims.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by bsaul »

jollybean wrote: post #43

A bit hypocritical but it's still mostly correct. Also, China is not the US. This is a Giant Thing. China would never, ever, ever allow US companies to have direct influence over their media, so even by basic tit-for-tat rules, this is reasonable. Moreover, even from a 'trade' perspective, if China does not allow such social media apps from US over there, which denies US companies that Ad revenue, the same should be…

the symmetry in anticompetitive practices is actually the only good reason i see for banning the app.

Hiding behind pretexts to make it seem based on law will only add an absurd legal precedent to app developers.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by cudgy »

thepangolino wrote: post #49
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

>data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem Very much this. As a European who doesn't intent to set a single foot in China, I'm much more comfortable at the thought of China having my data than my own government.

What if your government gets the data anyway? Hackers could hack TikTok servers and release data or sell to interested parties. Your government may already be tracking your TikTok usage by sniffing traffic on intermediate servers or other measures. Or China may even sell or share this information (or worse, manipulated false information) for strategic purposes.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by andruby »

soganess wrote: post #83
gambiting wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem The thing is, yes Facebook and Google's data collection is horrendous, but TikTok it literally on another level. Quite a good explanation here: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/comment/fmuk...

From the link: * - Phone hardware (cpu type, number of course, hardware ids, screen dimensions, dpi, memory usage, disk space, etc) - Other apps you have installed (I've even seen some I've deleted show up in their analytics payload - maybe using as cached value?) - Everything network-related (ip, local ip, router mac, your mac, wifi access point name) - Whether or not you're rooted/jailbroken - Some variants of the…

didn't the facebook app do mostly the same?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #192
uejfiweun wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may want to google search "Sentient Program NRO". Yes, they've had some type of AI for quite a while, and they've openly admitted to it.

Kind of gives legitimacy to this weird thing I found a while back: https://postquantumhistoricalretrospective.blogspot.com/p/ti... heh. Eerie that it is a bingo on the satellite claims.

And then this:

1. https://www.pdfernhout.net/recognizing-irony-is-a-key-to-tra...

2. https://www.pdfernhout.net/on-dealing-with-social-hurricanes...

3. https://www.nro.gov/Portals/65/documents/foia/declass/ForAll...

Yowwiee.. Thanks for the "dot" to connect. Sheesh.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by fragmede »

epolanski wrote: post #70
worthless-trash wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're asking for the impossible as 'anyone' is not tiktok. We as individuals don't have access to that data, only tiktok does.. so we as individuals can't prove this to you. Edit: Removed ask to share all personal data, because its bad form.

Pretty sure that European users data has to be hosted in Europe and there are serious limits on the info you can get outside. I know that this is one of the reasons why TikTok has highly invested in Ireland.

The other being that Ireland is advantageous to incorporate in for tax purposes?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by andruby »

moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

> You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people in your nation are behaving

And yet, Russia heavily used Facebook to influence/manipulate American behaviour during the election.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by analognoise »

hnlmorg wrote: post #116
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

Well in that case I hope you don't moan when the EU places heavy restrictions on the data harvesting that American companies do. I get the paranoia around China, I honestly do. I'm not at all unsupportive of the Chinese regime either. But this "one rule for us another for them" principle really needs to stop.

It's about maintaining geopolitical advantage, not playground fairness.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by olalonde »

moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Of course not. Every government is going to look out for themselves. Following your reasoning, look at China. They have their own playbook for operating within China, and it is quite restrictive. They make it harder for foreign entities to do business within China. From a geopolitical viewpoint this makes complete sense. You don't want your rival to have a backdoor into influencing/manipulating/discovering how people…

First, this ignores that the USA benefits tremendously from trading with other countries, most of all with China. If this mindset was applied universally, the USA (and the world) would be worse off. It also ignores that treating countries as though they are enemies can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It can increase the threat rather than decrease it.

Second, it's not necessarily in one's best interest to live in a "top dog" country. There are plenty of happy and prosperous people living outside the USA. The USA ranks 26th for median wealth. To give another example, even if China took the top dog spot, the average US citizen would still be better off than the average Chinese citizen.

Thirdly, I don't think the US remaining top dog is a realistic objective in the long term. In my opinion, it would be smarter to lead by example knowing that your successor will be judged by the standard you set.

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