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Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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post #171

As someone from the EU, with no money or anuthing coming in from the UK, why would I even care about this? The GDPR has teeth only because the EU is big enough to make companies care. It is a watered down version from some privacy rights compared to the old laws in my country. But the old laws were ignorde by US tech because why wouldn't they. So as the UK left the EU, they are now a small country in the computer wor…

If the article is to be believed, then simply ignoring this law would open your company's leadership up to criminal liability in the UK. This probably doesn't matter too much, assuming they never fly through Heathrow or something.

I mean you can just ban all UK IPs and be done with it.

Its clearly not a sensible law, and blocking users will send a clear message to them that they should complains about it.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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> won't result in a renaissance for peer to peer This horribly written law can easily be interpreted to apply to ISP's as well - so if the ISP is allowing these peer-to-peer systems that allow "unsafe" content to be shared, they're liable for it too, or they have to shut down the peer-to-peer systems. Which again, is the point - to turn the internet into the easily regulable cable TV that they already understand.

I keep hearing this but there is a big difference between the public facing platform and the pipe to my house. Where is the law vague? Your ISP is not a platform. I feel like this is a scare tactic.

The law could create a precedent that leads to greater censorship in the future.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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post #132

who also has skin in the game about being on the receiving end of the most horrific online abuse Do people just not get educated in online literacy anymore? An adult getting abused online is like getting third degree burns because you laid your hand on a hot burner and refused to take it off. If people saying mean things to you is disturbing your groove so much you're calling it "abuse" maybe you should stop reading…

You're talking like someone who doesn't live in a hyper-connected, hyper-online society. The same poor argument could made to verbal harassment. "Put in some headphones!"

You don't have to be hyper-online or hyper-connected.

I spend time with people in person or on the phone usually. We, gasp, _do things_ like go to restaurants or go camping. Sometimes we all sit on the sofa in a big pile and share snacks and watch movies or talk about life.

It's nice. Sometimes I'm even alone and get to read a dead tree book or just enjoy nature.

What happens "on the internet" is of very low importance, slightly below my choice of socks or what brand of snack to get.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Can someone explain why this won't result in a renaissance for peer to peer and e2e encrypted chat/forums/social media etc.? When government or industry makes it nearly impossible for consumer needs to be met we inevitably see a grey and black market spring up to meet those needs. My prediction is that if legislation like this becomes widespread we'll see a freely distributed application rise to prominence among a ga…

Don't worry, blocking p2p is the next step and is extremely easy to do. China has done it already and it's very effective: * Force every service provider to register their IPs and domains (for CDN use) * Force every ISP to do stateful firewalling and block every attempt to establish a new connection unless the destination IP is on a whilelist maintained by the government. Problem solved.

It’s very effective because people just use (illegal) streaming services instead :-)

Otherwise one can run p2p over VPNs, like for many other things.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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post #5

It seems to me that the solution to all the woes of this bill is to just not allow any content to be shared . That basically eliminates this being a problem for 95% of all companies.

The bill covers this site... HN.

And it covers Stack Overflow.

And Mumsnet.

And basically any site that takes user generated content of any kind.

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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Here's something novel, then: I've lived all over the world, but I wouldn't step foot in post-Brexit, xenophobic Britain if you paid me. I'm reading this gleefully thinking of ways to flout whatever implementation is settled upon, while homegrown British companies rot. I am, in fact, rooting for your economy to utterly collapse.

Out of interest, have you seen the list of potential future PMs. I would say it is far more diverse and less xenophobic than most European countries. But yeah believe what makes you happy. Just don't let the hate get to you to much.

Which of the candidates aren't British?

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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1) The point isn't to regulate the internet, it's to regulate what UK citizens can see. 2) The great firewall was complicated by the design goal of accessing some, but not all, foreign websites. The UK could accomplish their goals in a day or two by just cutting all the underwater cables. That sounds like an impossible crazy thing, but so did Brexit a couple years ago.

The EU might see that as an act of war...... A large amount (if not the vast majority) of fibre optics from Europe to Americas, go though the UK and cutting them off cuts off the biggest parts of the world from each other.

The EU might also see the UK as an inspiration!

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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post #40

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It has fewer people than Germany, and only low double digits compared to the EU. With this legalization I would IP ban the UK, then grow the service and look into opening up for the UK when my service was big and the lawyers didn't matter.

Typing this using a british designed arm cpu powered phone using the protocol made by a british guy on a forum cofounded by a british american venture capitalist. But the UK is “small” in the “computer world”. Perhaps we should ban german IP instead so we can read less about german nationalist pride and instead focus more on what makes countries competitive and what not in modern tech.

yeah that's all good for you but it doesn't change the fact that the UK is not that big of a market to cause all this trouble

Re: Your compliance obligations under the UK’s Online Safety Bill

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post #169

If I, a US citizen, started an online service that attracted Ofcom attention, what binds me to following UK regulations? The article mentions "extraterritorial enforcement", but what does that mean? Will the US extradite me to the UK if I don't put monitoring in place? Will I get arrested if I visit the UK? Will they try to sue me in US court? I mean realistically if it became a problem I'd just IP-block all of the U…

The Senior Managers Liability part means it's a criminal offence in the UK - so basically you could never visit the UK for fear of arrest.
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