“The joy of sharing has been driven from me“ • Hacker News Board

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by sph » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:08 PM UTC

rasz wrote: post #116

atwood22 wrote: post #8

I don't understand the outrage at this art style. Granted, I've never played any of the Monkey Island games, and have no emotional attachment to the content. To me, the art style seems very similar to a Cartoon Network cartoon, and that may have broad appeal to kids today. Like I kind of understand why people are upset: this thing you loved 32 years ago is being vandalized in your eyes. However, you're really old now…

Its ok if you are into vagina slits or pink penis noses on all characters.

That says more about you than the art style.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by sph » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:10 PM UTC

david422 wrote: post #125

There are a few things I've learned - or not learned - from releasing software. 1. People like to VENT. Some people are going to post nasty stuff even though they would normally act different in person. 2. Can you turn the nasty things into something positive? People vent because they are annoyed, or angry, or confused about something. Can that be fixed? Can that be improved? There may be a legitimate issue that coul…

6. We are not made for the Internet. It's going to be the downfall of civilization.

Our social structures and social instincts are made for small groups of people in a tribe, distrusting outsiders. The Internet can be great for humanity, but we're 200 years away from learning how to use it correctly.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by jayd16 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:10 PM UTC

sph wrote: post #189

jayd16 wrote: post #102

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Its a big mix of tech-literacy, lack of empathy in anonymous posts compared to in person interactions, and the main demographic being in peak pubescent angst. Recently I feel like there's a large performative element to it as well. Like virtue signaling but without the virtue. I guess its just one incarnation of in crowd bullying. Hipsterism and the like, but this current incarnation has a lot more anger to it.

The Monkey Island audience is not made of teenagers. Plenty of commenters on that site are fully grown 30, 40 or 50 year old entitled adults. It's so easy to blame teens when many people are jerkwads and get even worse as they age. Have you ever seen older people on the Internet? Those that are too old to be "digital native" and to have learned proper internet etiquette? They can be as psychopathic as any angry 13yo…

I was speaking more generally as to what could have formed such a culture and why games might be different than others.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by 0des » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:12 PM UTC

throwaway2048 wrote: post #166

zac23or wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some open source communities are worse than gamers in some cases.

Dropbox has nothing to do with open source communities, nor is HN an open source community.

How long until they realize they left all this proprietary software open to the public https://github.com/dropbox

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by whywhywhywhy » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:17 PM UTC

generalk wrote: post #15

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #2

I feel bad for him, but really the problem is he’s made a directorial mistake and it looks like the only point it’s gonna click is when the sales numbers hit. Will he realize his mistaken then or will he continue to blame the customer?

"continue to blame the customer?" He's never said that folks were wrong, or blamed anyone for anything. Seems to me like he just wanted folks to not be shitty. Take, for example, this comment by someone calling themselves _Proud Retro Fascist_: > Nice attempt at silencing critics. The game will fail because it is > objectively hideous and you will only have yourself to blame. > > Inthe end all you will have achieved…

Holding up the complaints of someone called "_Proud Retro Fascist_" shouldn't invalidate legitimate criticism just because a broke clock it right twice a day...

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by jdlshore » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:19 PM UTC

jjav wrote: post #184

corrral wrote: post #155

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I'm convinced that junior high and high school, at least in the US, amount to mass child abuse. Like, structurally, that's just what they are , almost unavoidably without totally changing how they work. Even decent school experiences are, by the standards of the adult world, crazy-bad. How many people have anxiety-nightmares for a decade or more after graduating high school? How many unavoidable experiences in life s…

> I'm convinced that junior high and high school, at least in the US, amount to mass child abuse. Like, structurally, that's just what they are, almost unavoidably without totally changing how they work. > Even decent school experiences are, by the standards of the adult world, crazy-bad. Why is that? What is different about US schools? I (nor my spouse) have any experience with US mid & high school but I hear things…

It's not just US schools. I have a distant relation in Norway who suffers severe bullying in her school. In contrast to the Portland schools my kids go to, teachers take a hands-off approach to bullying, believing that it's the kids' responsibility to resolve it themselves.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by jpe90 » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:20 PM UTC

munificent wrote: post #127

chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

This is one of the main reasons I was happy to leave the game industry after eight years of doing it. Working incredibly hard to build a product served to a group of people that are often hurtful emotionally stunted man-children is just a deeply demoralizing experience. Obviously, many gamers aren't like that. But a fucking whole lot of them are, and they are extremely vocal, and it doesn't take many of them to suck…

I’m glad you’re in a better industry now, and I’m extremely grateful that you wrote up your blog posts and books while dealing with that. They’ve been instrumental to my journey in programming.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by BrainVirus » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:22 PM UTC

giraffe_lady wrote: post #122

BrainVirus wrote: post #106

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>Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. Replace "gamers" with "book readers" and it should become obvious why this is not an insightful comment, but rather an expression of some kind of existential angst mixed with outdated stereotypes. Gamers ceased being a distinct consumer group when the medium of games went mainstream and ceased to heave anything resembling a coherent subculture.

"People who consume games" and "Gamers" are not necessarily the same group though? Just as the two groups of "people who have read a book" and "people who consider themselves A Reader of Books" both exist. The fact that there is a broader category doesn't make the narrower one useless. From my personal experiences absolutely there is a group of people you could reasonably call "Gamers" and performing dramatic consume…

>"People who consume games" and "Gamers" are not necessarily the same group though?

How do you know if someone posting a random nasty comment on the internet is a "Gamer"? How do you know if someone posting a nice comment is not?

You're projecting identity on people and then project attributes onto that identity. Most likely you're unconsciously selecting who to project the identity onto based on the same attributes. This creates a feedback loop. This is literally how stereotypes are constructed and reinforced.

Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by draw_down » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:23 PM UTC

zac23or wrote: post #142

In my experience, people in general have little ability to judge anything. I went through some peer reviews and in one case some workers did not understand some terms on the questionnaire (such as "proactive"). Anyway, the most popular people get ten for being proactive. The internet only make this worse, because in the Internet everyone is "anonymous". I ignore 99% of judgments, I only start listening if there is a…

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Re: “The joy of sharing has been driven from me“

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Post by lattalayta » Fri, Jul 01, 2022, 8:23 PM UTC

chomp wrote: post #14

Gamers are the most entitled consumer group I've ever seen. It's astounding. Someone wants to create something, and there's just so much hate and negativity on something that people didn't even pay for. I've seen it on HN also. Someone creates a thing, and then people pour out of the woodwork to lump horrible criticism. No one is asking for blind praise for what they create, but surely there's a middle ground between…

I feel the same way. I think critiques and criticisms have their place, but the internet does seem full of people ready to complain. The quote from the critic in Ratatouille always comes to mind

In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so...