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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by kwhitefoot »

gorgoiler wrote: post #30

Lots of Christian theology can get bogged down in the Trinity, what the Holy Ghost part means, etc. There are also much more basic sects where the theology of the Gospel is considerably easier to preach, and where in particular the idea of God simply being other people, and our love for each other is prevalent. It is surprising to see this kind of Christianity here, in a piece of software. Surprising and uplifting. I…

I forget who said it but I vaguely remember hearing an Anglican clergyman quoted as saying something like "Anglicans don't do theology" with the implication that Anglicanism is for people not gods.

In fact the few priests, both Anglican and Roman, who I have encountered have all been practical people more concerned with people and their mundane problems than religion or theology.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by Dma54rhs »

voxl wrote: post #59
ciupicri wrote: post #15

It's breeze of fresh air compared to most code of conducts which sound like communist propaganda. This and the Linux code of conflict.

Right, instead it's just Christian Fundamentalism, not like the U.S. doesn't have a problem with that

It does, but your left wing fundamentalists aint much different.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by kwhitefoot »

gigatexal wrote: post #100

What if a dev wanted to work on the project and was a devout devil worshiper or an atheist wine bibber…

They merely have to provide contributions that live up to the technical standard of SQLite (good luck) and dedicate them to the public domain. Their religion or lack of is not a problem.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by ripley12 »

nindalf wrote: post #168

There’s that libertarian streak of “his project, his rules” in this thread. He can include or exclude anyone he wants because it’s his project. Well, I read the very first line and see that he doesn’t want me, or people like me to be a contributor to this project. And that’s fine . His project, so I hear. But personally, I’ve felt welcome to contribute to every other open source project out there. I’ve felt welcome t…

> I’ve felt welcome to contribute to every other open source project out there

This is strange to me, because... we're not welcome in every other open source project. Many open source projects are maintained by a single person or a small team and are not particularly interested in accepting changes from outsiders. SQLite is one of those; they generally don't accept contributions.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by adamrezich »

nindalf wrote: post #179
adamrezich wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

from https://www.sqlite.org/copyright.html : > SQLite is open-source, meaning that you can make as many copies of it as you want and do whatever you want with those copies, without limitation. But SQLite is not open-contribution. In order to keep SQLite in the public domain and ensure that the code does not become contaminated with proprietary or licensed content, the project does not accept patches from people who h…

> many open-source projects' Codes of Ethics/Conduct/whatever make me feel explicitly unwelcome Most open source projects Code of Conduct boil down to "don't be mean to other contributors, treat them well". I'm sorry this makes you feel explicitly unwelcome. That said, it's never been a problem for me to adhere to that. This is a first time for me being excluded, and it feels bad. I'm commenting on why this person ha…

until a few years ago, it was implicit that everyone contributing to open-source projects would treat each other respectfully, because personal politics or identity issues or whatever were wholly divorced from writing code to make computers do things. this is no longer the case, and people running many open-source projects feel the need to legislate morality upon its contributors, as though they were kindergarten teachers. I personally find this objectionable, and such "spaces" make me feel unwelcome... but, again, I don't care, I don't feel entitled to be a part of any online "space" other than ones I myself create.

what could possibly cause this sense of entitlement in your mind? what universal moral imperative do you believe exists that everyone is supposed to abide by with regards to publicly allowing contributions to their own open-source programming projects, and why do you believe it does or should exist?

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by kwhitefoot »

jhgb wrote: post #137
iasay wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The corporation is more likely to be accountable from experience.

Corporations and accountable? Those things all too often don't belong into the same sentence in Western societies. Individuals get into prison all the time for transgressions much more minor than what corporations can get away with just by paying often a ridiculous fine. I'd say that individuals are much more beholden to accountability.

> don't belong into the same sentence in Western societies

don't belong in the same sentence in the United States.

There are other societies in the West.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by doctor_eval »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #184
fooey wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paradox of Tolerance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance > The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly self-contradictory idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.

That only works if you don't label half the population as intolerant.

It's not about labels. Speech that singles other people or groups out for different treatment or is otherwise racist, sexist, etc is intolerant. In a just society, we simply ask that one makes one's point without throwing specific groups under the proverbial bus.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by baobob »

nindalf wrote: post #168

There’s that libertarian streak of “his project, his rules” in this thread. He can include or exclude anyone he wants because it’s his project. Well, I read the very first line and see that he doesn’t want me, or people like me to be a contributor to this project. And that’s fine . His project, so I hear. But personally, I’ve felt welcome to contribute to every other open source project out there. I’ve felt welcome t…

> Well, I read the very first line and see that he doesn’t want me, or people like me to be a contributor to this project.

Reading from the top, he makes it abundantly clear it is a code their team adhere to, and external contributors are not expected to adhere to it or even respect it.

Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by zorpner »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #187
gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not talking about silencing people I disagree with in terms of opinion. I’m talking about fascists disagreeing that certain ethnic/sexual/gender groups should be alive or allowed to thrive, or have certain rights. If you think holding views like that is OK, you walk, talk and quack like a fascist.

> I’m not talking about silencing people I disagree with in terms of opinion. I’m talking about fascists disagreeing that certain ethnic/sexual/gender groups should be alive or allowed to thrive, or have certain rights. If you think holding views like that is OK, you walk, talk and quack like a fascist. That's a nice motte-and-bailey lumping together "should be alive" and "have certain rights". The former is a very s…

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Re: The SQLite Code of Ethics

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Post by gunfighthacksaw »

baobabKoodaa wrote: post #187
gunfighthacksaw wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not talking about silencing people I disagree with in terms of opinion. I’m talking about fascists disagreeing that certain ethnic/sexual/gender groups should be alive or allowed to thrive, or have certain rights. If you think holding views like that is OK, you walk, talk and quack like a fascist.

> I’m not talking about silencing people I disagree with in terms of opinion. I’m talking about fascists disagreeing that certain ethnic/sexual/gender groups should be alive or allowed to thrive, or have certain rights. If you think holding views like that is OK, you walk, talk and quack like a fascist. That's a nice motte-and-bailey lumping together "should be alive" and "have certain rights". The former is a very s…

> A religious person who opposes abortion is not a fascist.

I’d call them a theocrat, but lets not forget the close ties between fascism and the church/new political-religious movements in Germany and Italy.

> An athlete who opposes trans womens' rights to compete in womens' competitions is not a fascist.

This one is nuanced because transgender folks being allowed to exist openly is still fairly recent, and openly in sports is more novel still. There are fascists in that camp for sure, but also a lot of reasoned debate needed to work out the cultural niche for trans people in this area. Unfortunately the left will seek to stop any debate, and fascists will poison the debate until trans people are bludgeoned into silence once more.

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