Why people keep using mechanical locks when electronics is cheaper and could use unbeatable encryption?
What is the failure model when the power goes? Do you fail safe (unlocked) or fail secure (locked)?
Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
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#192I am a reasonably capable lockpicker and lock collector with hundreds of locks of every mechanism I can get my hands on... and as LPL often demonstrates, the vast majority of them, particularly the move clever seeming designs, are actually easy to pick. I have one of the Enclave lock prototypes on my desk and can confirm the machining is brilliant and I have no idea how one could approach picking this. No feedback at…
So looking at the lock’s YouTube video it may be susceptible to an attack where you set all the pins to their lowest, turn the key and then jolt the lock several times while continuing to turn the key.
This kind of comment is why I read these sort of things: Elegant but unexpectedly simple solutions.
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#193While very cool and seemingly well-designed, this seems like a derivative of the lock developed by the YouTuber StuffMadeHere. A little strange to see someone applying for a patent for a version of someone else's design.
The principle is the same, but this design is different and better in some ways. Depending on the generality of the claims a patent may be reasonable. The Enclave design is more refined/compact, but I'm skeptical of the longevity/durability of the wedge mechanism. The underlying principle that's common between the StuffMadeHere and Enclave designs is 1. Decouple setting the pins from testing them, and 2. Do not allow…
If the core ideas are already in the public domain, it likely means that designs that bypass the enclave patent are likely.
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#194Interesting design. I made a lock a couple years ago that is quite similar in principle (though this design is different and has a couple nice improvements). https://youtu.be/_7vPNcnYWQ4 One of my main goals is to be an inspiration, though if it was based by my design I wish they’d credit it. Especially since they’re patenting it.
Just want to say I absolutely love your channel and it's been a huge source of motivation to work on my own hardware projects in the past, I eagerly await your next video!
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
You absolutely should sue them with prior art or something if they patent it. You had an amazing fairly well distributed YouTube video with this design anyway.
Anyone here can submit prior art during the patenting process. No suing or courts involved. You only have to care enough to make the submission. Interestingly, videos don't seem to count? It must be a written description? https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2206.html
Samsung used 2001: space odessey as prior art for fighting iPad patents so not sure if that’s true.
Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#196I am a reasonably capable lockpicker and lock collector with hundreds of locks of every mechanism I can get my hands on... and as LPL often demonstrates, the vast majority of them, particularly the move clever seeming designs, are actually easy to pick. I have one of the Enclave lock prototypes on my desk and can confirm the machining is brilliant and I have no idea how one could approach picking this. No feedback at…
So looking at the lock’s YouTube video it may be susceptible to an attack where you set all the pins to their lowest, turn the key and then jolt the lock several times while continuing to turn the key.
Compressing the springs by jolting the lock (hitting it with something?) might be very hard if springs are strong and pins are light.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its the standard procedure for "unpickable" locks before SMH's lock too.
Yeah same idea behind my lock too: https://youtu.be/7hUonUE1hEY I'd guess many many people have had this same idea.
I quite liked your version. Seems a bit more robust but I know nothing about this space and perhaps it was just that your presentation was fascinating
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah same idea behind my lock too: https://youtu.be/7hUonUE1hEY I'd guess many many people have had this same idea.
According to the video's pinned comment thread, that lock was sent to LockPickingLayer a few months ago, who never responded. I suppose, from my cousin comment, that it's with the other locks LPL can't pick yet .
Yeah. In fairness someone did link a method that I think could my lock (and this one). Basically you attach a laser to it so you can very accurately tell how far the key turned. That gives you a way to test the pins even though you can't directly manipulate them.
Very very tedious though and I never tried it.
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#199Re: Enclave: An Unpickable Lock
#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
Its the standard procedure for "unpickable" locks before SMH's lock too.
Yeah same idea behind my lock too: https://youtu.be/7hUonUE1hEY I'd guess many many people have had this same idea.
It certainly seems like a simpler, cleaner design. So did LPL try to pick it? (Edit: I see you wrote elsewhere in the thread that he never replied.)