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The most livable cities

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Re: The most livable cities

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post #178

PDF document with some more details (but still not the whole list): https://pages.eiu.com/rs/753-RIQ-438/images/liveability-inde... (Need to provide an e-mail address to get the above link.)

The complete list seems paid though (75 to $10,000).

[0] https://store.eiu.com/product/global-liveability-survey/

Re: The most livable cities

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post #134

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Europe is a big place; fjords have little to share with Algarve or Greek isles as far as climate goes.

Everything north of the alps is pretty gloomy, especially compared to North America

Northern North America doesn't look too great... Dark and cold... Not some very lovely place to live. The south is horribly hot on other hand. Also horrible.

Re: The most livable cities

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post #156

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And health care in Canada is a joke. Unless you have terminal cancer or close to death, good luck getting any specialist’s attention. You’ll wait for a year on a waitlist for someone to care. Doesn’t matter if you have money either, no way around it.

Come to the US. Wait as long and be ready to pay a ton of money.

That's what a fair number of Canadians judging by the parking lot of the hospital in Grand Forks, ND.

Re: The most livable cities

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post #29

As I wrote last year, these liveability index ignores all the best cities in Europe and I suppose in most countries by focusing on the largest cities. I enjoyed living in the US, France, Denmark and Germany, I can't find Boulder, Besançon, Nantes, Helsingor, Münster, etc. These are all smaller cities outside of the big ones and they would all have a score higher than Vienna in this index. I am 100% confident that you…

Livable means different things to diff ppl (duh). For me which city is livable is very personal thing outside of basic necessities. Münster almost bored me to death plus the church bells were super loud where I stayed. Service people were special kind of polite plastic robots, but for some people its what they want

I find it difficult to adapt. When I am abroad it always feels creepy how "servant" the service industry is. And stop trying to sell me shit.

People really underestimate how you are shaped by the society that you grow up in.

Re: The most livable cities

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post #3

There should be some in-built bias, such as adding points for just being in the Northern America. Otherwise it's hard to explain how all of the diverse cities of the USA end up being clumped in one place of the scale. That, or not having sufficient dynamic range.

> how all of the diverse cities of the USA Have you perhaps considered that they're not very diverse? NYC and SF are a bit different yeah, but other than that they're all remarkably similar. Honestly it's a significant factor in why I decided to move back to Europe. It always bothered me when Americans claim that the US states are as diverse as separate countries in e.g. Europe. No, just no. You are blinded by the fa…

Los Angeles is way more diverse, on just about any front, than San Francisco.

Re: The most livable cities

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As someone who lives nearby and is even pretty happy with living here most of the time, let me tell you that Calgary being third on this list is comically absurd. It's an ok city in many ways, but approximately the only way it's a better city than the other two canadian cities on the list is that average income is fairly high (for now) in Alberta, and especially in oil company boardrooms in Calgary, again because of a resurgent oil boom due to the russian invasion of ukraine.

Re: The most livable cities

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post #32

With its colourful graphs and precise numbers, this all sounds very scientific. In reality, I'm guessing a group of people listed where they think is lovely to live and that's what we're now discussing.

I think it's more a bunch of fresh graduates who've never been to most of the cities on the list looked at some data points (and then after realising they were mostly the same as last year's data points did a few news searches to find some points of difference)

No, in reality you have to pay a few thousands bucks to read the full data report (there are links in the pdf).

Re: The most livable cities

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This list is a complete joke, evidenced by the fact that they use a definition of livibility that puts cities that are barely walkable in the top 10.

Whether or not a city is "walkable," is not necessarily an improvement upon livability. In areas of Chicago and Baltimore, for example, the streets are "walkable," however the frequent violent & property crimes that take place in these areas make a casual stroll down the block an unsafe proposition. I grew up in Harlem during the time it was emerging out of the 1980s crack epidemic. As a child, the streets were easy…

"Walkability" on things like this doesn't mean that there are sidewalks you can take a stroll down, it means that essential and desireable services (like grocery stores and restaurants) are within walking distance of most residences, and there's transit service that makes up for what lacks.

If it was just about "can you go for a walk" twisty-turny suburbs would get the highest imaginable walkability score, because you can get lost in those for hours and never see a car. Or any other useful destination, for that matter.

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