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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by abxytg »

Mo3 wrote: post #106
AbortedLaunch wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hyperemesis described is not an acute OD-like effect, but happens to some chronic users. It wanes when cannabis use ceases. Very hot baths and showers help suppressing the nausea.

Then I stand partly corrected, thank you. I think I have heard about this happening before, but read it was a very very rare occurrence. With that in mind, in any case - I can still not understand the logic of associating this phenomenon with "teens getting sick". Also, if you cannot handle smoking weed chronically, maybe you should just stop. Personal responsibility again.. > Very hot baths and showers help suppress…

Sorry for the cranky response, I actually agree with most of what you said aside from the small misunderstanding about hyperimesis vs acute od

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by daveslash »

mesofile wrote: post #119
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

Yeah. I used the same schpeel (or something similar), with my kid when we found out she was smoking at 15. You know ~ it's not heroine or cocaine, but it can make you content to just do nothing, when you'd be happier doing something.

Sometimes "do nothing" is exactly what we need in this crazy, hectic, busy world. Sometimes it's good to be bored. But keep it in check. Also, I have no problem with adults partaking, but kids with their developing brains ~ that's another story in my mind.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by dfxm12 »

drost wrote: post #85
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I'm struggling with this right now. Using during the day is still an uncommon occurrence, but it's happening more and more. The real issue I'm having with it is that I'm using pretty much every night. I come from the gym, take a shower, and grab the vape pen and sit on the couch. It just makes me so lazy. I stopped cooking and just eat pizza and ice cream nearly every night. Thankfully my weight hasn't taken a hit. B…

Even if marijuana is 100% responsible for your situation, there's no need to create a moral panic and project it onto others, like the parent poster & NYT article is doing.

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by TaylorAlexander »

lacker wrote: post #162
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter point: I am 37 years old. I quit marijuana three or four months ago, but before that I was vaping marijuana nearly every day for four years. During that time I’ve achieved more success in my career than any other time. I think it was good for me to quit. I feel more alert and more productive now. More level and less tired. Maybe I would have been more successful without it, so perhaps you are right. But then,…

I quit marijuana three or four months ago, but before that I was vaping marijuana nearly every day for four years. During that time I’ve achieved more success in my career than any other time. I think it was good for me to quit. I feel more alert and more productive now. More level and less tired. Maybe the next four years are going to be the most successful four years of your career. Good luck!

Oh they probably will be! My open source career is blowing up. Still while it wasn’t said outright, what I read in to my parent comment was that using marijuana will make you a failure or unsuccessful. Obviously I am reading a lot of what my dad used to say in to that comment, which never made such a claim. But I wanted to provide my perspective nonetheless. Also, thanks!

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Post by spywaregorilla »

coding123 wrote: post #151
spywaregorilla wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people can handle it. But that still doesn't mean everyone should do drugs.

You're saying that if everyone in the world started to take cocaine daily, a high percentage of people, say 80-90% can handle it.

What does handling it mean if you're taking cocaine daily? Taking drugs daily is already likely beyond the point of dependence. Regardless of will power, you will almost certainly develop some level of chemical addiction and tolerance trying to use cocaine, recreational-y, daily. I would say the question is invalid.

I meant most people can do cocaine once, or at an infrequent irregular frequency without getting addicted to it and becoming dependent.

FWIW most means > 50%

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

drost wrote: post #85
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I'm struggling with this right now. Using during the day is still an uncommon occurrence, but it's happening more and more. The real issue I'm having with it is that I'm using pretty much every night. I come from the gym, take a shower, and grab the vape pen and sit on the couch. It just makes me so lazy. I stopped cooking and just eat pizza and ice cream nearly every night. Thankfully my weight hasn't taken a hit. B…

I mean, you are going to the gym, and you feel lazy? That’s a healthier practice than most people I know. Consider it a reward? :)

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by effingwewt »

honkycat wrote: post #174
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

> As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "normal". And you just won't get as much out of your life as you could get, won't achieve as much relationship success, professional success, or personal fulfillment. You can form a bad relationship with literally anything. Social media, television, video games. The smartest and most passionate developer I have ever known smoked weed literally every day. There are…

This is how I cope. My brain runs away with me, coupled with OCD (people love to romanticize it byt forget about the obsessive/compulsive part). With that and depression and anxiety, the meds prescribed to me were insane, as were the side effects (many permanent too- fuck that). Weed was the lesser of the evils. I don't drink because aside from the fact that I hate the taste of alcohol, what I really detest is the loss of self control. I spend most of my waking and much of my sleeping time trying to keep one thing or another under control. I don't have to fight them nearly so much with weed.

I know it's an imperfect solution to myriad problems, but it helps me greatly,but I very much realize I am self medicating.

When I quit smoking weed it takes me about a year to get back to full 'normal'. But I'm also miserable. I can't sleep, I wake in the night in the middle of thoughts that are making me anxious or whatever. I eat too much, I have less energy. I simply become better at hiding my issues.

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Post by marginalia_nu »

mesofile wrote: post #119
lacker wrote: post #57

The real danger with cannabis is not that it'll make you sick or have some nasty side effect like this article describes. The danger is simply that you will like it, you'll end up using it every day, all different times of the day, and it won't really hurt your health as much as it will make you live your life in a somewhat dopey, detached, less-intelligent way. As time goes on it won't feel "fun" it'll just feel "no…

I thought the way that South Park put it (in the voice of Randy Marsh) many years ago was just about perfect: “Well, Stan, the truth is marijuana probably isn't gonna make you kill people, and ...it most likely isn't gonna fund terrorists, but... Well son, pot makes you feel fine with being bored and... It's when you're bored that you should be learning some new skill or discovering some new science or... being creat…

I think this is largely the problem with mobile phones as well. Like you probably aren't going to go mad or get rectangular eyes or whatever, but you can just sort of sedate that sensation of boredom with scrolling reddit or facebook or whatever, which does all of bupkis for making us happy in the long term.
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