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Microsoft will include pay ranges in all U.S. job postings

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Re: Microsoft will include pay ranges in all U.S. job postings

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Post by TulliusCicero »

showerst wrote: post #173
throwaway09223 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Board retainers aren't significant expense anywhere as far as I'm aware. Often their stipends are less than an employee's pay. For example, Google's board stipend is $100k, which is about half the median total comp of an average employee (less, counting benefits). Walmart I think pays their board $60k. You may be thinking of executive comp, but even then it is generally not significant amount. You could completely el…

Walmart is a bad comparison there; they have an enormous headcount of low-paid staff. Many tech companies are far lower headcount, but with high executive pay. Looking at some other companies, Activision-Blizzard's CEO alone makes enough to pay every employee a $15,000 bonus. Reed Hastings at Netflix makes enough to pay every employee $3800. And that's not counting any of the rest of the executive staff, or all the o…

The comment referred to specifically said "board salaries", not executive pay more broadly.

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Post by throwaway09223 »

showerst wrote: post #173
throwaway09223 wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Board retainers aren't significant expense anywhere as far as I'm aware. Often their stipends are less than an employee's pay. For example, Google's board stipend is $100k, which is about half the median total comp of an average employee (less, counting benefits). Walmart I think pays their board $60k. You may be thinking of executive comp, but even then it is generally not significant amount. You could completely el…

Walmart is a bad comparison there; they have an enormous headcount of low-paid staff. Many tech companies are far lower headcount, but with high executive pay. Looking at some other companies, Activision-Blizzard's CEO alone makes enough to pay every employee a $15,000 bonus. Reed Hastings at Netflix makes enough to pay every employee $3800. And that's not counting any of the rest of the executive staff, or all the o…

Activision-Blizzard's board get 350k. If they earned $0 instead, this would only give each employee an extra $35 per year. That's including their stock compensation.

As you say, most goes to investors. Which makes sense as they actually own the company.

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Post by TrackerFF »

DeathArrow wrote: post #78

About salaries at Microsoft. I interviewed with them this year. I did a Codility test, followed by four interviews with four US based teams. I got an offer which is 5 to 6 times what they pay in US. I live in a country in Eastern Europe, and prices are a bit lower. I would have expected a lower offer, but not that much lower. It was less than I already make so I had to wish them good luck in finding another person an…

Interestingly enough, I know MS (engineering) managers in other European satellite offices that make absolute bank. Easily 4-5 times more than comparable jobs at domestic companies.

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Post by nfriedly »

rednerrus wrote: post #121
zeroonetwothree wrote: post #104

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Seems impossible to enforce in practice

Can they just audit the actual salaries paid vs the range listed at the end of every year?

That sounds like an incredible amount of work. Who is "they" and who is paying them to do all of this auditing?

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Post by [deleted] »

drewcon wrote: post #181
kodah wrote: post #155

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I'm leaving my company because it took so much "upwards pressure" to make this happen. Literally hundreds of people screaming in a townhall that the companies wages were so low that housing was eating up most of their paycheck while mandating a return to work from the top. This is in the Bay Area. I do think there's something to be said about a company that does not tend to the needs of its flock proactively.

I’m not sure why the company is responsible at an individual level for what’s going on in the Bay Area. They can’t tell you how to manage and interact with the expenses of your life. If you’re mad at anyone, walk down to city hall and tell them to build more housing.

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Post by kelseyfrog »

drewcon wrote: post #181
kodah wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm leaving my company because it took so much "upwards pressure" to make this happen. Literally hundreds of people screaming in a townhall that the companies wages were so low that housing was eating up most of their paycheck while mandating a return to work from the top. This is in the Bay Area. I do think there's something to be said about a company that does not tend to the needs of its flock proactively.

I’m not sure why the company is responsible at an individual level for what’s going on in the Bay Area. They can’t tell you how to manage and interact with the expenses of your life. If you’re mad at anyone, walk down to city hall and tell them to build more housing.

Why artificially constrain the action landscape? In the realpolitik world of getting desirable outcomes, if forcing companies gets the results, then it gets the results.

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Post by Chinjut »

It's incredible in these comments that so many of you who work in the industry on the employee side are arguing against having more transparency for the employee, and for having more leverage in the negotiating process for the employer instead. I want all the advantage as an employee that I can get. Any secret withheld from me is not to my advantage.

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Post by cogman10 »

drewcon wrote: post #181
kodah wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm leaving my company because it took so much "upwards pressure" to make this happen. Literally hundreds of people screaming in a townhall that the companies wages were so low that housing was eating up most of their paycheck while mandating a return to work from the top. This is in the Bay Area. I do think there's something to be said about a company that does not tend to the needs of its flock proactively.

I’m not sure why the company is responsible at an individual level for what’s going on in the Bay Area. They can’t tell you how to manage and interact with the expenses of your life. If you’re mad at anyone, walk down to city hall and tell them to build more housing.

You say this as if companies don't chose where to have their offices and their attendance policies.

If a company places it's headquarters in a HCOL area and requires everyone come in 5 days a week, then yes, they have a responsibility to pay a salary high enough that their employees can survive there.

If employers don't like the fact that COL is too high, THEY can go ahead and march on city hall to advocate for political action. Companies have a MUCH larger sway with local politicians than the average employee does. That, or they can increase the salary or change the attendance policies.

Re: Microsoft will include pay ranges in all U.S. job postings

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Post by cfcfcf »

xtracto wrote: post #137
avgDev wrote: post #3

This is the way. We need more of this. I'm at a point where if a recruiter messages me "about an exciting opportunity" without any salary information, he/she will not get a response. While there are some jobs that maybe I would consider a pay cut for, I generally want to make more money because that allows me to invest more so I can be free one day.

I just reply to everyone with my expected salary, which is 30% increase of my current salary. If they are not close to that number, then it is better to not waste our time. I've been in the employer position (as a hiring manager) and in the Employee position. I know how much I am worth (or what I want to be worth), so I don't really care about playing games and haggling. I'ts ok, my value might become lower in a rece…

Do you reveal your current salary? Or give a ballpark?
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