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Re: Tether Withdrawals Top $10B

#191

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What does "pegged" even mean unless Tether is always willing to pay 1 USD for one? Then who would sell their tether for $0.99, at a loss?

Tether is not willing to do this

So their idea of pegging is just a forcefully worded request?

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I've never shorted or taken out crypto loans, but you could theoretically: - Take out a loan of USDT, using a stablecoin you trust as collateral - Immediately trade all USDT into your stablecoin - If the USDT price crashes, buy it up to repay the loan. e.g. Binance lets you borrow 800k USDT with 1.23m collateral. Over 180 days, interest paid would be 36k. Say USDT crashes and you repay your loan at 10c/USDT - you wou…

>- If the USDT price crashes, buy it up to repay the loan. What happens if trading is effectively halted, so it's simply no possible to buy the USDT back later?

You can do it on a decentralized finance app like compound: deposit a stablecoin you trust (which could be USDC) and borrow Tether, then immediately sell it and put it into something else that earns interest, incl outside crypto. You continue to earn interest on the deposited USDC (currently .86%, Tether borrowing cost is 3.62%, all ignoring Compound rewards). You can borrow against 82% of the deposited USDC, but 70% would be better to cover the interest accumulating and possible temporary spikes in Tether value.

https://compound.finance/markets

Re: Tether Withdrawals Top $10B

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I'm not following your logic. $1 worth of debt is worth $1 no matter how risky it is. The risk is built into how much it is worth. Risky debt is high risk high reward. Since these funds are backing a stablecoin it doesn't make sense to go for high risk plays with that much money.

I'm not very well versed in how selling debt works, but the way I assume it works is the following: Say someone still owes me $1M over the next 10 years, but I think that there's now only a 50% chance of the debt being repaid. It would make sense for me to try and sell that debt for at least $500k to get a guaranteed immediate return, right? And then that person could say that they hold $1M dollars, even though it's…

Yes that's basically how it works. When a corporation holds a loan as an asset on their balance sheet, they're supposed to mark that asset to market reflecting the risk of default. But if marking to market isn't actually enforced by auditors or regulators then the company can pretend that the asset value is the same as face value. This can appear to work for years until there's a recession and a bunch of borrowers default.

Re: Tether Withdrawals Top $10B

#194

Someone help me understand this. All you need for a stable stablecoin is to save every dollar put in to it. The people behind Tether sell tethers for $1, they save all of those dollars, and whenever the price of Tethers drops to $0.99, they buy tethers until the price is back up to $1. As long as they never spend anything from the reserve, this can't fail no matter how unpopular the currency is - they can back the cu…

> whenever the price of Tethers drops to $0.99, they buy tethers until the price is back up to $1. Buy Tethers with what? If the money is in fact saved in regulated banks or other such instruments, there's nothing liquid left to defend the peg on the exchange. Instead, the standard "backed stablecoin" approach is to make money with a small spread on redemptions/creation, while allowing others to do that hard work. Te…

Like the bank run scene from It's A Wonderful Life: https://youtu.be/iPkJH6BT7dM?t=45

Re: Tether Withdrawals Top $10B

#195

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Folks who want their fiat.

What does "pegged" even mean unless Tether is always willing to pay 1 USD for one? Then who would sell their tether for $0.99, at a loss?

Those who bought it at 0.9999954 and resell it at 0.9999978, making less than pennies on the dollar, but still profit. Then you make a chain of suckers until it goes back to 1USD

Re: Tether Withdrawals Top $10B

#196

Eventually, the US will figure this out and make a USD crypto that will be used as THE stablecoin. It seems obvious to me that a stablecoin needs a solid governmental backing, since there is no profit in it and you need unlimited deep pockets in case of a run. The advantage is then that the USD remains the world's premier reserve currency, even into the digital age.

W...why do you want something more digital than the existing system ? I dont want each dollar to be tracked from its infancy to where I spent it, I m quite fine with withdrawing my digital money back to cash at the ATM and spending it anonymously thereafter.

The system is perfect, why change it to liquefy the dumb investment a few crypto lunatics made ?

Re: Tether Withdrawals Top $10B

#197

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Important to note that they can only nuke that is under their control right now, and presumably Bitfinex' (and perhaps some other entities). Everything that is in wider circulation can only be removed through actual withdrawals.

That's assuming they were paid dollars for those USDT by exchanges. An exchange could borrow the USDT, and when returned, they could be burned - with no dollars changing hands.

Yeah absolutely. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if the likes of Binance, Tron, and FTX issued Commercial Paper in exchange for USDT.

Re: Tether Withdrawals Top $10B

#198

Eventually, the US will figure this out and make a USD crypto that will be used as THE stablecoin. It seems obvious to me that a stablecoin needs a solid governmental backing, since there is no profit in it and you need unlimited deep pockets in case of a run. The advantage is then that the USD remains the world's premier reserve currency, even into the digital age.

What could you do with a USD stablecoin that you can't do with a regular old dollar? Other than let everyone see your transactions and account balances.

Re: Tether Withdrawals Top $10B

#199

Someone help me understand this. All you need for a stable stablecoin is to save every dollar put in to it. The people behind Tether sell tethers for $1, they save all of those dollars, and whenever the price of Tethers drops to $0.99, they buy tethers until the price is back up to $1. As long as they never spend anything from the reserve, this can't fail no matter how unpopular the currency is - they can back the cu…

The 'all you need' part is the part you can't hand-wave away. One typically can't both satisfy the requirements of generating a rate of return needed to remain viable[1] with low risk and keep the funds liquid. In the event of a run on their currency, they would need to have most of those funds available on short notice without a significant loss of principal to avoid an implosion. Even liquid, safe government bonds will often need to be sold below the price paid during extreme market conditions (the exact kind of situation that runs on the coin are likely to occur during)

[1] Especially in a near-zero interest rate environment.

Re: Tether Withdrawals Top $10B

#200

Eventually, the US will figure this out and make a USD crypto that will be used as THE stablecoin. It seems obvious to me that a stablecoin needs a solid governmental backing, since there is no profit in it and you need unlimited deep pockets in case of a run. The advantage is then that the USD remains the world's premier reserve currency, even into the digital age.

That's what Circle is for. Only a matter of time before it becomes an arm of the Federal Reserve.
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