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Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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>help me make it die in a fire I'm rather mistrustful of people that are this forthy about being against a new technology. If it really is that devoid of merit it'll die on its own. I also think it is a rather fundamental failure to see the big picture. Not efficient? Well neither was the Ford model T. Newer generations are getting better. Similarly somehow existing systems seem to get a free pass for things that are…

> The people certain it'll be a disaster seem just as silly as those certain it'll take over the world.

There you go. Some cryptocurrencies will survive once the regulatory framework is more clearer and settles in which will result in most the useless ones and non-compliant ones withering away.

That is the most likely outcome rather than the maximalists believing all of them succeeding or the skeptics like the one in this article believing all of them being destroyed. We've have examples like introducing KYC/AML checks for the exchanges, then unregistered ICOs were made illegal in the US (other countries to follow). It still did not put an end to crypto.

Next will be the exchanges delisting privacy coins and the likely regulation of stable-coins.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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>> 1) a very serious climate crisis 2) a cost of living crisis where people can't afford energy to cook and heat (in the UK at least) and 3) a war that would likely be brought to a stop sooner if we could phase out Russian gas sooner. All of these things are the result of bad governing, not crypto. Maybe banning crypto would help them (I don’t believe that) but banning lots of other things would also help. What we re…

You don't think that the 1MWh or so of electricity used (estimates vary from 2MWh down to 700kWh, depending on what you read, so I pick a value in the low end of the middle) is pushing up the price of energy? Let's reframe those values slightly - every bitcoin transaction uses about as much electricity as it costs to run my house for nearly six months. Are you sure that's not having an adverse effect on energy prices…

https://twitter.com/wef/status/941906002982637568?s=21&t=aJv...

Don’t believe everything you hear on the internet. The vast majority of these articles lead to Mora et al which has been thoroughly debunked.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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The world needs decentralised assets. It’s the internet of money. Some are shitty, some are not. Monero and Algorand are two good examples. The latter carbon negative.

The core premise of these cryptocurrency haters is that they feel that their subjective value preferences are more valid than those of the market. This is a core tenet of central planning. It is plainly paternalistic. Ironically, it is the central planning of interest rates which created an environment ripe for speculative bubbles. It is the heavy regulation of all things financial which has burdened online transacti…

> The core premise of these cryptocurrency haters is that they feel that their subjective value preferences are more valid than those of the market.

That is simply not true.

As an early bitcoin supporter, my sentiment shifted against cryptocurrency as I worked with more and more companies that have been targeted by ransomware. I kept waiting to be able to pay for real things and instead I saw wave after wave of fraud, grift and extortion but no progress on being a usable currency.

> It is the heavy regulation of all things financial which has burdened online transactions.

Really? Online "non-cryptocurrency" transactions have outpaced cryptocurrency transactions by a massive amount.

Cryptocurrency was a neat idea that failed to realize it's potential due to the complexity of operations in the real world. Instead it has become a cesspit of fraud, theft and self-deluding grifters that lie repeatedly to try to bring in more and more greater fools. There are still se cryptocurrency idealists out there, but it gets harder and harder to tell them from the grifters.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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The disaster has already occurred, it just hasn't been felt yet. The disaster of 2000 was not the crash of the tech stocks, it was the previous year of pouring people's savings into a fire pit. What would it have meant for the economy to keep all those companies inflated? Surely only a bigger disaster.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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It is like a viral infection. Once somebody spends $400,000 on an ugly ape and then found they spent their money for nothing, they will become a permanent enemy of crypto. It’s just a matter of time before you join us (crypto haters) the difference is that some of us knew it was a scam right away and others will have to learn it the hard way.

> the difference is that some of us knew it was a scam right away Jeez, you must be a very rich man by now, with all the extensive shorting of crypto this amazing early insight must have allowed you to execute. Congratulations.

> with all the extensive shorting of crypto this amazing early insight must have allowed you to execute.

Those who have these insights usually also know the aphorism "markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent".

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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The article starts out with: "The crypto world went into a full meltdown this week" I don't know. Look at a chart of Bitcoins price on a log scale: https://twitter.com/JonathanBeuys/status/1524810429884661761 To me, it does not look any different then it has looked for the last 10 years. Its a slowing exponential growth with a certain volatility. Nothing seems to have changed in the last week.

People decide on a narrative ("crypto is bad and a scam" in this case) and they will see the world in a distorted fashion in order to fullfil their narrative.

So they see a significant drop in price, but completely within the bounds of previous drops, and they see it as full meltdown and the ponzi scheme popping, because that fits their narrative.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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It is like a viral infection. Once somebody spends $400,000 on an ugly ape and then found they spent their money for nothing, they will become a permanent enemy of crypto. It’s just a matter of time before you join us (crypto haters) the difference is that some of us knew it was a scam right away and others will have to learn it the hard way.

> the difference is that some of us knew it was a scam right away Jeez, you must be a very rich man by now, with all the extensive shorting of crypto this amazing early insight must have allowed you to execute. Congratulations.

Knowing that something is a scam is very much not the same as wanting to get onboard with the scam.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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post #193

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The core premise of these cryptocurrency haters is that they feel that their subjective value preferences are more valid than those of the market. This is a core tenet of central planning. It is plainly paternalistic. Ironically, it is the central planning of interest rates which created an environment ripe for speculative bubbles. It is the heavy regulation of all things financial which has burdened online transacti…

> The core premise of these cryptocurrency haters is that they feel that their subjective value preferences are more valid than those of the market. That is simply not true. As an early bitcoin supporter, my sentiment shifted against cryptocurrency as I worked with more and more companies that have been targeted by ransomware. I kept waiting to be able to pay for real things and instead I saw wave after wave of fraud…

>Really? Online "non-cryptocurrency" transactions have outpaced cryptocurrency transactions by a massive amount.

Yes, really. Those transactions are heavily regulated. You cannot send a 0.000001 USD Paypal transaction for example. The overhead is too high. There are cryptocurrencies which allow these microtransactions.

Observing that there is a high amount of regulated transactions doesn't account for the demand for unregulated transactions.

Perhaps if regulations were lower, services could provide functionality which would make cryptocurrency irrelevant.

From the interview:

>WEAVER: I am holding up a Raspberry Pi computer module. This entire computer is like 50 bucks. So for 500 bucks worth of [computing power], I could do the same functionality as Bitcoin, with just 10 named entities. Why don’t I do this? Because those 10 named entities would have to follow money laundering laws. And apart from getting a structure where the named entities don’t follow money laundering laws, there’s no advantage for the cryptocurrencies, despite burning nine orders of magnitude more power.

Even the die-hard cryptocurrency hater featured in the interview admits that is the heavy cost of regulation which created the market demand for cryptocurrency. The question is if he understands the implications of his own statement and the premises from which they derive from.

>I kept waiting to be able to pay for real things...

Perhaps most people don't want to go through the hassle of doing KYC on an exchange just to buy a pizza. Also, Gresham's law and legal tender laws.

>...and instead I saw wave after wave of fraud, grift and extortion but no progress on being a usable currency.

So the remaining users of cryptocurrency are those who use it out of necessity. That could be innovation in microtransactions, online gaming, speculation or the criminal uses you narrowly focus on.

However you want to value it is up to you. Either within the existing framework of regulation or independently. If you don't like it, don't use it. Calling for what other people value to be destroyed, because Weaver doesn't like it is authoritarian. He's a bully. Live and let live.

Re: Why All Cryptocurrency Should Die in a Fire

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I spend a lot of time on the internet but I have never bumped into a cursed crytpo bro without seeking them out. Where are you being accosted by them?

At the funeral of my in-law Aunt who died of COVID-19. The crypto bro was her boyfriend, who had been her boyfriend when she was married. Her husband had hung herself 2 years prior and mental anguish over the adultery contributed to his mental health problems. The jackass was boasting that he’d bought a graphics card from a scalper and was so happy he could mine Etherium. I told him I didn’t want to hear about it.

Sorry for your loss. People cope with loss in strange ways, unfortunately. Hope you and everyone remaining are doing better.
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