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Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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The American Heart Association recommends no more than 1500 milligrams of sodium per day. Because sodium is being added to packaged and processed foods, the average American was getting way more sodium than the recommended amount. And given the number of obese people and those with hypertension who are salt-sensitive, lots of people were getting way more sodium than was healthy for them.

Is salt added to processed foods iodated?

Usually and in most places, probably not [1].

Some processed food manufacturers have started using iodized salt in some of their products in recent years at least where I live, though. (Northern Europe)

I don't know if that's an entirely a local thing or a wider thing e.g. in the EU. AFAIK the local soil here isn't that rich in iodine and so produce doesn't end up containing as much iodine either. The local food authority ended up recommending that iodized salt be used not only in schools etc. but also in bakeries and the food industry. Apparently some have followed suit, although not to a full extent.

A quick look at some store-bought packaged bread and the package of a frozen baguette I ate last night shows a bit more than half of them have or had iodized salt. That includes, perhaps a little surprisingly, the store-brand frozen baguette. The few other packages I have at hand don't indicate iodized salt but I've heard its use in the food industry has increased from the practically zero it used to be.

So, the answer might be a resounding no or a less resounding one, depending on where you are.

[1] Source: general impression of what I've read and heard, so basically a hunch

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Sunlight’s effects on body chemistry also have a damping effect on inflammation. It’s a funny thing. Sunlight has an impact on many chemical processes in and on the body. One example: Our skin is coated with a bunch of chemicals. There’s a number of different acidic chemicals. These are known as the “acid mantle”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_mantle One of these substances is urocanic acid . The body manufactur…

You, sir, just blew my mind. I have some reading material to go through. This is fascinating indeed!!

I’m so glad to be able to share these papers with someone!

I have no formal higher-level education in biology btw. Just high-school level or so?

And I had no idea this was a thing – I just found one of these papers purely by accident.

I don’t even remember what I was digging for on Google Scholar. I think it was something related to psoriasis. (It runs in the family.)

I think I might have been trying to look for any hints on whether I was really seeing my psoriasis skin condition improve after starting to take ADHD medication. – And yes, I do believe that is the case, and that it’s related to serotonin.

I feel a little like this might be construed as oversharing – it’s a story about science and I don’t know how to tell it in another way :)

So I got a diagnosis of ADHD at age 39½. A carefully done and clinically sound diagnosis. Many things in my life now make a lot more sense than they did. Whatever ADHD actually is. I turn out to be somewhat of a poster child?, for “internal” ADHD. I respond very well to a small dose of lisdexamfetamine. (Vyvanse in the US. Elvanse over here.) When I started taking it, old friends would say things like”uh… What happened to you? You’re so… composed? serene?” “–Ah, yes. It is all the amphetamine I am taking.”

And I give them one to try? because it’s so mild? And this friend is a lot like me so it can’t be that crazy? And they spend 24 hours with a clenched jaw and can’t sleep for a whole night. Biochemistry is wild.

And after a few weeks I thought my skin condition was improving. It didn’t make any sense. Didn’t even occur to me that it could be the ADHD medication. But then I tried reading about the compound on wikipedia, what it does, what receptors it acts on. And then start looking for papers with kind of random keywords on Google Scholar? Because I didn’t know what I could be looking for or the words for it? And that’s how I found out about cis-urocanic acid. I think mostly because “cis-urocanic acid” seemed like an odd and funny name for a thing. And as I learned later, word-for-word, cis-urocanic acid does have a really odd and funny meaning. It means “this-side dog-pee acid”. “Uro-canic” because that’s where they found it for the first time. And “trans urocanic acid” means “the-other-side dog pee acid”.

And I’m at the computer just going “wh… what? Huh? Lol?”

And yes, as far as I understand it, the lisdexamfetamine does help my psoriasis, and because of some part of its influence on the serotonin balance in my body. Amphetamines are serotonin-releasing agents. I am fascinated by the papers on that part of it but it’s also clear that I can’t speak with any confidence. As I understand it, the ever-so-slight serotonin “venting” caused by amphetamine might do a few things that cause this effect: Slightly downregulates pro-inflammatory serotonin receptors, slightly activates anti-inflammatory serotonin receptors, and sliiiightly reduces the amount of serotonin in the average blood platelet’s payload. (“Wh… what? Huh??”)

And yeah, on the way there I finally learned why my skin is clearer and less inflamed in the summertime. And why the UV phototherapy for psoriasis works. And the medically prescribed trips to the suntanning clinic in the Canary Islands for the patients with really bad psoriasis? Yep, that’s a thing, and it works, and I don’t think they ever really knew why, and urocanic acid is probably a big part of the reason it does, and even if those papers are out, I bet that the dermatologists don’t know about them because there’s just so much science out there.

And we have no idea how easily accessible it is. My dermatologist probably doesn’t know about Google Scholar? And certainly not sci-hub. Or the amazing discussion between scientists one can find on Twitter.

Funny thing right!!

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Sunlight’s effects on body chemistry also have a damping effect on inflammation. It’s a funny thing. Sunlight has an impact on many chemical processes in and on the body. One example: Our skin is coated with a bunch of chemicals. There’s a number of different acidic chemicals. These are known as the “acid mantle”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_mantle One of these substances is urocanic acid . The body manufactur…

Sunlight exposure also stimulates nitric oxide production, which is important for circulatory system health.

Ah!! This is interesting. Many thanks!

Sometimes I order random supplements on a whim. I don’t remember why I ordered arginine.

It turns out that it very clearly and obviously helps my fiancee’s type 1 diabetes blood sugar control – like, a lot! We have a blood glucose meter and you can kind of just see it on the graph. Takes a while but the blood sugar just kind of obeys control a bit better if she takes arginine.

And it turns out there are a bunch of papers out on that too. I had no idea.

‘Effects of adding L-arginine orally to standard therapy in patients with COVID-19: A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, parallel-group trial. Results of the first interim analysis’ – https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=arginine%20diabetes&btn...

And it turns out that arginine supplementation seems to help in hospitalized COVID-19 patients. For reasons which make sense – including nitric oxide production and cardiovascular function.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34522871/

Sunlight having an effect on nitric oxide production could be very important and useful for us to know! To help us manage her blood sugar and that whole biological picture. Thank you very much!

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Well, this might be uncomfortably relevant to my family. My son prefers to do nothing but lie in bed all day. At first we thought it was just puberty, but at some point, I realised that his lack of activity could also be a sign of depression. Had him tested, turns out he has vitamin D deficiency.

He's taking vitamin D pills now, but I'd honestly prefer if he'd just go outside every once in a while.

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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Sunlight’s effects on body chemistry also have a damping effect on inflammation. It’s a funny thing. Sunlight has an impact on many chemical processes in and on the body. One example: Our skin is coated with a bunch of chemicals. There’s a number of different acidic chemicals. These are known as the “acid mantle”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_mantle One of these substances is urocanic acid . The body manufactur…

And yet lots of dermatologists will tell you to avoid sunlight. The medical community is full of contradictions.

I think that's about excessive sunbathing, which is a thing in certain circles, and certainly was a few decades ago. These days everybody is sitting inside with their games and streaming services, and I think it would do a lot of people a lot of good to go outside a bit more often. Just don't spend it at the baking in the sun all day long at the beach.

Re: Vitamin D and Depression (2020)

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I just went over 8 years without seeing the sun (jail). I wonder what the long term effects are?

Probably not good, and just one of the reasons why incarceration should be an absolute last resort. Welcome out!

And when incarceration does happen, it should be in a humane prison where inmates get to go outside and do some normal activity. In too many parts of the world, prisons seem to be designed to be utter hellholes meant to destroy people.

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>> The medical community is full of contradictions. We added iodine to salt to prevent deficiency, then decades later told everyone to avoid salt. I've found iodine to be a huge piece of the puzzle - certainly not a panacea but one of several go to solutions.

The American Heart Association recommends no more than 1500 milligrams of sodium per day. Because sodium is being added to packaged and processed foods, the average American was getting way more sodium than the recommended amount. And given the number of obese people and those with hypertension who are salt-sensitive, lots of people were getting way more sodium than was healthy for them.

But most of that salt does not have iodine added.

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The American Heart Association recommends no more than 1500 milligrams of sodium per day. Because sodium is being added to packaged and processed foods, the average American was getting way more sodium than the recommended amount. And given the number of obese people and those with hypertension who are salt-sensitive, lots of people were getting way more sodium than was healthy for them.

I … have never in my life heard of salt contributing to obesity. I’ve struggled with being severely overweight. I’m medically monitored for hypertension, both because of my weight history and medication which should increase my blood pressure. I struggle now to keep weight on. Salt is not a factor.

Salt was said to contribute to high blood pressure, not obesity. Congrats on taking control of your health!

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Sunlight exposure also stimulates nitric oxide production, which is important for circulatory system health.

Ah!! This is interesting. Many thanks! Sometimes I order random supplements on a whim. I don’t remember why I ordered arginine. It turns out that it very clearly and obviously helps my fiancee’s type 1 diabetes blood sugar control – like, a lot! We have a blood glucose meter and you can kind of just see it on the graph. Takes a while but the blood sugar just kind of obeys control a bit better if she takes arginine. A…

Oops!, please note: I pasted the title of the paper behind the second link… up there by the first link which is a Google Scholar search for “arginine diabetes”. And it’s too late to edit. Apologies!
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