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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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"Elegant, inspiring, soaring prose often makes for incredibly shitty real-world advice." - hn_throwaway_99

Well, if you don't want your life to turn out Bukowski, don't take advice from Bukowski. As Modest Mouse said, "God, who'd want to be / Such an asshole?"

Indeed, but it’s a little funny coming from Isaac Brock.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Not terribly surprising. While other companies realized that they will lose this fight, Apple dug in their heels. While some provided flexibility and retained talent, Apple decided that the last two years never happened and that the talent that will walk as a result of this idiocy is expendable. The results will speak for themselves in the coming months.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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> We deserve to have input into how we work best and if that means walking away from companies run by egomaniacs that need to see butts in seats, then so be it. The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is to organize your coworkers. You have much more bargaining power about your work conditions as an organized union. The history of unionization stems primarily from workers demanding safe working environments.

Unions are for poor people. This person can be much more self righteous by quitting for another 6 figure paycheck. Very little risk.

Nonsense, the screen actors and writers guilds are formal unions and their members include all of the top Hollywood stars that pull down 7 figure+ paychecks from films.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I get people who want to work from home. I get people who want to work from the office. I get people who want to do hybrid. The one group of people I don’t get are the ones who suggest people should be forced to work from the office, and not able to decide for themselves. (Obviously it depends on the role - if you’re doing hardware design you need to go in sometimes, of course.)

I see some people in the macrumors comments saying “good riddance” like he’s being ungrateful or something. He’s a manager who’s standing up for what he believes is best for his team, and when he was overruled he did the only thing he could do to protest - quit. Good for him, and hopefully others follow suite. And as someone who works in the same field, he is absolutely right. ML teams right now are absolutely starved for good talent. Apple should be doing everything it can to hire and retain these people, including letting them live where they want.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I can’t help but notice the timing of this. ML is starting to fizzle out as a “savior” of the industry after lofty promises were never fulfilled. Goodfellow was hired right at the peak of ML hype, so I have to assume his salary/total compensation was extraordinarily high, so he was very expensive to keep around. Apple would’ve made an exemption for exceptional talent. They didn’t make the exception for him.

Big tech companies embed ML in basically everything they can. Its literally everywhere, you just dont hear about it.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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I can’t help but notice the timing of this. ML is starting to fizzle out as a “savior” of the industry after lofty promises were never fulfilled. Goodfellow was hired right at the peak of ML hype, so I have to assume his salary/total compensation was extraordinarily high, so he was very expensive to keep around. Apple would’ve made an exemption for exceptional talent. They didn’t make the exception for him.

I wish that Siri's problems just came down to poor ML. I am constantly blown away that a $2.5t company could put out such a poor UX.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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> We deserve to have input into how we work best and if that means walking away from companies run by egomaniacs that need to see butts in seats, then so be it. The logical conclusion of this line of thinking is to organize your coworkers. You have much more bargaining power about your work conditions as an organized union. The history of unionization stems primarily from workers demanding safe working environments.

You have much more bargaining power, yes. But you’ll also be bargaining as part of a group that includes Joe Useless, who sits in the next cubicle over and ostensibly fulfills the same role as you. The company may be happy to give you a 10% raise, but they’d rather lower JU’s salary by 10%, so they won’t budge on your demands for an increase, since it’d also apply to him.

> The company may be happy to give you a 10% raise, but they’d rather lower JU’s salary by 10%, so they won’t budge on your demands for an increase, since it’d also apply to him.

Then don't organize the union to work like that. A union is an agreement for the workers to pool their negotiating power, not an agreement for any particular pay structure.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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post #170

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Well, if you don't want your life to turn out Bukowski, don't take advice from Bukowski. As Modest Mouse said, "God, who'd want to be / Such an asshole?"

Indeed, but it’s a little funny coming from Isaac Brock.

Well, he would know better than most, right?

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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WFH is screwing young workers by eliminating the mentorship, learning by osmosis and relationship-building that has propelled many knowledge-based careers. If Goodfellow were truly a good fellow, he would recognize the higher purpose.

I could provide much better mentoring at a local coffee shop or in my home office...
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