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Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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A simple rule: Minimum font size >= Age of oldest attendee

What about giving websites and web apps the ability to detect the font size preference of the user to automatically adjust the font size? Just like native apps do...?

Even native apps are often broken when you enable "large fonts". I've used large fonts since forever and even now are using 1440p on 32" screen (I'm not wearing glasses or anything).

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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It’s not just accessibility. I’ve last track of the number of times I’ve seen a mobile website with a table that extends past the right side of the viewport and zoom disabled. You can’t scroll, and you can’t zoom, so you can’t read the table.

Maybe this is a good place to ask since there's a lot of web devs here: What is SO effing hard about drawing within the screen on web?! I can't tell you the number of times I've seen this issue. Just the other day I saw reddit's sign up form is totally broken on iOS, you have to swap between landscape/portrait multiple times and hope whatever garbage layout engine it uses redraws the button inside the screen.

> What is SO effing hard about drawing within the screen on web?!

It’s because the web’s layout primitives don’t compose well. There’s no easy way to say “this is a full-width container and nothing inside it can go off screen.” As an obvious example, any descendant of that container can use fixed positioning and do whatever it wants. But there are subtler examples that are easier to fall victim to. The way to fix this is to built your own higher-level layout primitives and have conventions or tooling to enforce that you compose them only in approved ways.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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What about giving websites and web apps the ability to detect the font size preference of the user to automatically adjust the font size? Just like native apps do...?

Websites have that ability, both in CSS with types that are defined relative to the users set font size, and to detect it in JS. The platforms capability is not the problem here.

Hmm really? How do you do that? The `rem` and `em` CSS units do not reflect iOS font-size settings if this is what you mean (I don't know about Android).

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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I've never experienced any zoom problems (as opposed to Zoom problems...), and I just had a look at all the sites mentioned in TFA. In all cases, I can zoom all elements (text, images, the works) just fine, up to 500%. Firefox 100 on Windows. Is this just another one of those "Safari on IOS is broken, so the Web is broken" things, or is there more to it?

No, this is actually "Safari on iOS" isn't broken, and allows the user to remain in control (thankfully).

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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As a disabled person, I totally recoiled and revulsed at the OP’s audacity and emboldeness to demand how other should behave toward him.

I would never pull someone down to sit down to my eye level if in a wheelchair, never.

I would never pull someone closer to me so I can read lips better.

And certainly I would never remotely pull them to something that I want, as in this case, digital remote camera.

However, it is a courtesy to ask them to adjust for your sake. And only a courtesy.

This OP dude needs a proverbial slap across the face.

Just ask, curtly and nicely.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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While we are at it: please stop changing the right mouse button in my browser. I‘m looking at you MS Teams. If you want to have context menus in your app, that’s ok, but please don’t put them in the browser. You break important use cases for me and other people.

Firefox has an override for that, shift+right mouse should ignore the click handlers and show the browser context menu. This is something I really miss in other browsers, especially the ones that decide that they know better than me about how things like copy/paste are supposed to work.

I have never heard this before. Is there more stuff like this?

Note: I can't test this right now because I don't have any sites that do this particular bad thing

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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Could you explain a bit more what do you mean by "cyberphysical artsystem" ? I have no clue what this is, but the name sounds cool

This fills about 1/3 of a wall in my office https://gen5.info/$/XQ*42RXF-TLY:$B.8/ and is made of 8″x8″ cards. That's the first constellation I made, most of the output is either stand alone 4″x6″ cards or constellations. I'm working now on my third constellation from images published by Ukraine's MoD. I've been dragging on my feet about blogging a manifesto for the three-sided cards, first because the system was cha…

Thank you for the nerd snipe. Fascinating.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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What about giving websites and web apps the ability to detect the font size preference of the user to automatically adjust the font size? Just like native apps do...?

Websites have that ability, both in CSS with types that are defined relative to the users set font size, and to detect it in JS. The platforms capability is not the problem here.

This. HTML was actually created to be accessible by default. One needs to make an effort (unfortunately not very big effort) to break it.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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If we want a free and open internet, why is the current web designed to let server owners control our experience? This leads to accessibility fails like the inability for visually challenged people to control font size or contrast, but also leads to lots of other bad effects, like the fact that my browser gets more and more bloated every year and essentially has become a tool to let other people run programs (javascript and wasm) on my computer, and display content that they want (ads, etc.) rather than content that I want.

I really want an internet where servers provide structured content, but where I control my user experience.

Re: Please stop disabling zoom

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What? It seems to me the web is accessible by default. Write a plain old HTML page and everybody should be able to read it (assuming they have a computer to open it or a printed version). People go out of their ways to mess this up by using fancy colors, fancy web fonts, messed up JS (frameworks), non standard components because it's cooler, disabling outlines, and so on. Do you have examples where the Web is not acc…

Yep. Just write in HTML, and the browser will render everything for you. It's almost as if the browser treated HTML as if, I dunno, it was some kind of markup language, you know, with hypertext, and stuff, and could automatically render it. /s I remember back in the late 90's, and we decided to create a static website for internal use on a project. Everything was supposed to be quick and simple. We weren't after anyt…

>We used Microsoft's whatever-it-was-called at the time for writing webpages.

Frontpage, I'm going to bet. :)

I was an early user of Frontpage, shortly after Vermeer released it. A few months later, it was bought by Microsoft. Looks like Frontpage was absorbed and discontinued (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_FrontPage).

It was handy but I was just messing around with a very simple personal website and most of the time I'd just use Notepad or something like that.

>About the same time Java on webpages was a thing.

Guilty... I wrote a simple java applet to draw a polar plot of antenna radiation patterns. Later I added a calculator applet - after all, how handy would a simple calculator only a website away be?? I should have gone with the trends and converted both to javascript... but I did not.

>Then there was a fad that sites had to have some kind of animated intro on the front page

I remember the omni-present "site under construction" animated gif. As in, > 50% of websites had them somewhere.

Follow the link in this article (https://www.vice.com/en/article/9akenz/this-guy-compiled-eve...) for an eye-bleeding collection. Haha!

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