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Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Leave it to HN to recommend cool(-ing) technology to indians when the world is on fucking fire because of their own apathy towards the policies of their own governments.

Technical solutions to people problems is like the motto of many of the commenters here.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Public transport hasn't solved the problem of "the last mile". How do I get to/from the train station/bus stop? Frequently you still need a car to even get there and then you will need parking - which is often limited and costs a lot. Then there's timeliness. Deutsche Bahn is known for frequently their trains are delayed. In summer, even on the Intercity connections (IC, ICE) trains will be filled to the brim and air…

> How do I get to/from the train station/bus stop? Having good public transportation would mean having a bus stop within 100m of every house.

I used to live 700 meters away from the subway, there's also a bus stop 100m away from where I lived. The bus came less frequently than the subway, so I got a rickety old bike if I want to go the 700 meters faster. The whole way there's a bike path on the sidewalk, separated by a wide strip of grass/trees from the street.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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> How do I get to/from the train station/bus stop? By foot, bike, trotinette. If it's too far, that isn't good public transit and/or you live too far.

> trotinette I believe we call that a scooter in English. Had to look it up.

For me a scooter is a small bike ( moped in American i think?).

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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And here in the western world, people still don't like using public transport and their bikes (when they can). It's difficult to be optimistic, but it seems there is nothing that will truly limit fossil fuel consumption. Maybe some oil producing countries could get in some sort of alliance, and artificially limit the amount of oil they extract, in return for subsidies? Those countries could also put a tariff on oil.…

> people still don't like using public transport Because most public transport sucks, is unreliable, only works at certain hours, is dirty, unsafe, and covers only a small ridiculous amount of space limited to key cities. No wonder. The pandemic will only make public transport less desirable as well.

  > only works at certain hours, is dirty, unsafe, and covers only a small ridiculous amount of space limited to key cities
come to japan, i think it will change your mind

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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And here in the western world, people still don't like using public transport and their bikes (when they can). It's difficult to be optimistic, but it seems there is nothing that will truly limit fossil fuel consumption. Maybe some oil producing countries could get in some sort of alliance, and artificially limit the amount of oil they extract, in return for subsidies? Those countries could also put a tariff on oil.…

You mean the US, because in a lot of european countries, we very much like using our public transports and bikes

The west, as it is typically viewed, consists of far more than just the US and "a lot of European countries." There are plenty of places in Europe where public transport isn't as common as it should be, let alone other continents.

Some common definitions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_world

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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As someone who was in Europe for one of the heatwaves of recent years, and whose appartment was in one of these older buildings designed this ways with thick walls etc., I can attest that this only works up to a point . This design relies on there being cold air for the building to retain. However, in a heatwave it doesn't even get cold at night. The result is your apartment gradually heating over a period of days /…

Yeah it's a temporary effect and once the walls have heated up, it actually makes it worse since it retains the heat at nighttime as well. You need to drill down to access the constant temperature in the ground, to be able to really counterbalance the differences in the air temperature. Once you've drilled down I guess you can make a passive or minimal energy circulation system that would be much more energy efficien…

I had an issue with this last fall - had my AC go out in the fall when it had been over 80F for the last few months. Outside, it would be 70 during the day and 50 overnight, but there was so much heat in my walls/floors that I literally couldn't keep my apartment below 80. If I opened every window and door, I'd get down to 75 or so, but it would be back to 80 within an hour, even when the temperature outside was significantly cooler.

It's great in the winter though. I haven't had to turn my heat on in years.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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That doesn’t seem to line up with the marketing you linked. “10-20% energy savings when integrated with building refrigeration and HVAC systems.” PV on the roof can normally provide 100% of the energy needed for AC.

It’s a per-unit-area comparison: https://www.betonconsultingeng.com/passive-radiative-cooling... “”SkyCool arrays work by cooling a fluid that moves below the panels and is pumped through refrigeration systems. The cooling helps reduce the run time of motors in the refrigeration system to reduce electricity consumption. All told, the SkyCool system can reject heat at about 100 watts per square meter, saving between 4…

Ok, that’s your problem it’s about 2400Wh of heat moved per day per m2. A solar panel should be collecting ~1600Wh/day of electricity/m2, but an AC can then use that electricity to remove ~4,800Wh of heat.

And that’s assuming you need to remove heat 24/7/365. A solar panel can also provide electricity when cooling is unnecessary. Things get even worse if you need pumps etc to circulate a fluid under the film, which is presumably why that 10-20% cost savings figure was suggested.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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If the last time this happened was 1901 (but 1901 was hotter), it doesn't sound "more common"? It's literally more than 100 years since the last time this level of heat occurred. Sounds similar to 100-year floods?

My understanding is that 1901 wasn't particularly hot. They mention 1901 because that's when systematic collection of weather data began.

"Meteorologists from the India Meteorological Department (IMD) found that March 2022 was the hottest March for India as a whole since 1901".

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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And here in the western world, people still don't like using public transport and their bikes (when they can). It's difficult to be optimistic, but it seems there is nothing that will truly limit fossil fuel consumption. Maybe some oil producing countries could get in some sort of alliance, and artificially limit the amount of oil they extract, in return for subsidies? Those countries could also put a tariff on oil.…

"Hilarious" is not the word I'd use. "Dispiriting", "Irresponsible", "Fucked up". I don't understand why we aren't pouring massive amounts of money into public transport. Apparently many people in Western Europe seem to enjoy being stuck in traffic for hours every day. For some reason, company cars are still a thing in Belgium, very nearly everyone working in IT gets one. I can't wrap my head around how stupid this i…

> I don't understand why we aren't pouring massive amounts of money into public transport.

Because it would be seen as a socialist measure.

Re: Nearly the hottest place on Earth, India swelters under intense heat wave

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Reminds me that I should finish reading The Ministry for the Future by Kim Stanley Robinson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future

From someone who hasn't read it, can you say why? That's the second time I've seen it referenced here. Cheers.

Mostly because it starts with a Indian heat wave that kills 20 million people in a couple of days. Beyond that its a load of gibberish glorifying eco terrorism and full blown woke politics. Basically its written to be the extreme left's wet dream of breakdown in global order and bringing to heel the 'global elite'. It is difficult to move past the heavy pro communist overtones and the whole narrative lurches into many tangents that have no relation to the plot.

The subject chosen is really interesting but the way the novel was written (fiction mixed with facts) and some chapters where the author directly communicates with the reader is really weird. I wouldn't be surprised if this is their first novel and reads like a middle school essay of some kind.

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