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Make their course completion contingent upon doing so? That’s a bit draconian of course, but you could also provide something positive to juice the deal instead. Incentives 101.

So the education system is contingent on making students teach other students, or else? Lol

It’s not as if this isn’t already a requirement for some.

https://biosciences.uchicago.edu/content/teaching-assistant-...

> All graduate students are required to serve as a Teaching Assistant in at least one course for academic credit before the Ph.D. degree is awarded. Appropriate courses may be undergraduate, graduate, or medical, but must be in the Biological Sciences Division (exceptions may be made for students in the Biophysical Sciences program).

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Very favorable comments all around from the very online crowd who comments here. I’m much more skeptical. I have no doubt this will work well for some students, but as someone who taught online for the better part of two years I can say with certainty that the experience is very different and (for the wide majority of students) worse than being in person. My colleagues and I can attest to both general learning loss (…

There is some truth to it but teachers and professors who do not support online mode of teaching also work to undermine it for your own vested interest aka job security. I am sure a online school or class can do their own study and produce opposite results.

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Online learning resources are amazing. Compared to pre-internet, the depth, quality and accessibility is amazing. It really does open an opportunity route for a lot of people. However... Institutional learning, whether it's K-12, colleges, techs or whatnot have barely changed. The same fundamental dynamics exist, whether it's tertiary sorting and prestige or primary teaching methods. Education still serves and fails…

Online resources are not very different than having access to good libraries. Great libraries have existed for thousands of years but you won't find examples, anywhere in the world, where kids are just left at the library to learn. One of the fundamental aspects of learning is practice. Teachers/coaches/guides and mentors play a big role in keeping kids on track. It's not just about the best quality content. Or getti…

> Online resources are not very different than having access to good libraries.

The guidance is the biggest differance. When you have limitless resources to learn from its hard to know where, and more importantly, and why to focus your attention.

Online resources typically give you a very clear path and often a clear why something is important to learn.

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Very favorable comments all around from the very online crowd who comments here. I’m much more skeptical. I have no doubt this will work well for some students, but as someone who taught online for the better part of two years I can say with certainty that the experience is very different and (for the wide majority of students) worse than being in person. My colleagues and I can attest to both general learning loss (…

My experience with professors and the concept of "study skills" is that there is often a skewed perception of how students should learn that is colored by their own experience. Many of my classmates did not regularly go to lectures, and most of them did very well. When they struggled in a class or the teacher was a good lecturer, they went. Professors who cared were often the ones who never missed a lecture themselves. This could be an indication that the traditional yardsticks of who is a "good student" are breaking down.

I would also chalk up the students generally being less organized to the stress of the situation, rather than a degeneration of study skills.

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In my experience, in-person educators often do a rather poor job with online education. There's often a lot of effort to emulate in-person learning, instead of an acceptance that online education is its own thing. They also often approach online education with a bias against it, which I doubt helps things. In-person educators trying to do online learning, getting poor results, and then saying it's the fault of online…

I don't entirely disagree, but I partially disagree. Personally I was desperate in March 2020 (as were my colleagues) for any tips about what would work online. I didn't want my classes to suck, nor did my colleagues. There was very little information available at the beginning about what worked. But what's worse (and what makes me disagree with your comment) is that even after a year of being online it still wasn't…

As a student in undergrad, I got to know the people at the school's "teaching center" very well.

This resource is available on most college campuses for the teachers who have the humility to ask. Those folks were intimately involved in MOOCs and knew a lot about how to make online teaching work. They might have been able to help, but there was a bit of a sigma around talking to them.

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I don't entirely disagree, but I partially disagree. Personally I was desperate in March 2020 (as were my colleagues) for any tips about what would work online. I didn't want my classes to suck, nor did my colleagues. There was very little information available at the beginning about what worked. But what's worse (and what makes me disagree with your comment) is that even after a year of being online it still wasn't…

Could it be that since humans are social primates, online simply can never work as well as face-to-face. I work in sales and direct face-to-face sales ALWAYS has better close rates, happier customers, etc. than indirect sales through phone or internet.

Close rates are better because a captive customer is at a severe disadvantage to the psychological tactics used in sales.

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Very favorable comments all around from the very online crowd who comments here. I’m much more skeptical. I have no doubt this will work well for some students, but as someone who taught online for the better part of two years I can say with certainty that the experience is very different and (for the wide majority of students) worse than being in person. My colleagues and I can attest to both general learning loss (…

> If online works for you, awesome ... But I don’t think you are in the majority. I think there's a huge under-served group who are specifically not the majority. Smart kids are generally held back by being shoehorned in with other kids. Personally, I think we need to figure out how to use online resources best and that the future will most certainly be a mix. But also please entertain that maybe the optimal audience…

This is exactly my daughter, she thrived online when her teachers posted a weeks material at a time she'd be done by wednesday. She was so happy she could work at her own pace and didn't have to wait for other kids.

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Very favorable comments all around from the very online crowd who comments here. I’m much more skeptical. I have no doubt this will work well for some students, but as someone who taught online for the better part of two years I can say with certainty that the experience is very different and (for the wide majority of students) worse than being in person. My colleagues and I can attest to both general learning loss (…

I don't think any of this is necessarily true and I hope few believe this at this point.

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Very favorable comments all around from the very online crowd who comments here. I’m much more skeptical. I have no doubt this will work well for some students, but as someone who taught online for the better part of two years I can say with certainty that the experience is very different and (for the wide majority of students) worse than being in person. My colleagues and I can attest to both general learning loss (…

In person is obviously better for actual learning. I went to highschool before online was an option. But a few years ago I was talking to a kid who had the option to do classes online, at their own pace . They were free to take final exams whenever they wanted. If I could complete classes like that I would probably have finished highschool in a couple months. I might not have "learned" as much, but who here actually…

I'm a bit long in the tooth, so perhaps my experience is colored by time and nostalgia; but I found high school to be where I learned the most in terms of academics. It was where I had an outstanding English teacher who taught me to write with both passion and with a clarity that I cherish. A Biology teacher who helped direct my attention to subjects that helped me fill in gaps in my understanding of our world. A History teacher that guided me towards challenging the status quo, in questioning sources and understanding motivations. This is just a small sampling of the best classes, and obviously ignores the most dull and uninspiring teachers. Highschool was hell for me in so many ways, but academics was the least of the reasons.
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