‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania • Hacker News Board

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by CogitoCogito » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 12:26 PM UTC

ianai wrote: post #182

CogitoCogito wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re not pointing out the consequences. You’re speculating about the consequences. Frankly you should have seen the books before believing something like that. Furthermore it would be a stretch to believe that that situation extrapolates to all gyms. If what they said was actually true, they _should_ go out of business. If their business depends on them exploiting the legal system to thwart their users’ clear will,…

Your communication to WalterBright is coming across needlessly combative while you seem to be in agreement. Just an FYI.

> Your communication to WalterBright is coming across needlessly combative while you seem to be in agreement. Just an FYI.

How could you possibly have concluded we're in agreement? This was his initial post in this thread:

> 10x more expensive. I bet that'd do wonders to the willingness of customers to sign up.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31068220

I fundamentally disagree with this and made it quite clear in the following posts. This disagreement is basically the whole premise on which this exchange was had.

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by cromka » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 12:44 PM UTC

willio58 wrote: post #97

QuikAccount wrote: post #4

Fully in favor of this. I recently had to cancel a subscription that had no "cancel subscription" button and instead forced you to contact customer service so they could try to sell you on discounts and etc. No, just let me cancel and get on with my day. Unfortunately, it seems health clubs(and I assume gyms?) are exempt from this when they are like 80% of the problem.

I had this same experience with For Hims. Super shady business practice that made me recommend against them ever since

They were shady to begin with by pushing finasteride.

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by elliekelly » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 12:48 PM UTC

humaniania wrote: post #102

tylersmith wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the result of lobbying, and undeniably the result of the politicians putting forth the bill.

Sounds like the kind of thing ALEC would push through for someone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_...

Unrelated to the article but this is insane:

> Statutes in Colorado, South Carolina, and Indiana exempt ALEC, specifically by name, from having to register as a lobbyist and report lobbying expenditures.

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by tyingq » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 12:58 PM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #123

QuikAccount wrote: post #4

Fully in favor of this. I recently had to cancel a subscription that had no "cancel subscription" button and instead forced you to contact customer service so they could try to sell you on discounts and etc. No, just let me cancel and get on with my day. Unfortunately, it seems health clubs(and I assume gyms?) are exempt from this when they are like 80% of the problem.

Health clubs rely on 90% of their members never showing up. If they all cancelled, there'd be no more health clubs.

They existed when people paid for most things with cash. Though I suspect their business model was less lucrative.

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by pnt12 » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 1:13 PM UTC

dwighttk wrote: post #169

tomrod wrote: post #35

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Almost certainly, imo. Were I a VC, part of my model to identify industries ripe for tech disruption would be to find those that get legislative sweetheart deals that don't benefit the taxpayer.

Ooo I just had an idea: Uber but for lobbying

Most features apply: a map to select available lobbyiees nearby, lobby sharing, low cost lobbying. Even price jacking for peak lobbying hours!

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by collegeburner » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 1:17 PM UTC

OutsmartDan wrote: post #187

QuikAccount wrote: post #4

Fully in favor of this. I recently had to cancel a subscription that had no "cancel subscription" button and instead forced you to contact customer service so they could try to sell you on discounts and etc. No, just let me cancel and get on with my day. Unfortunately, it seems health clubs(and I assume gyms?) are exempt from this when they are like 80% of the problem.

The NY Times is notoriously the worst at this. It's almost impossible to cancel without wasting a couple hours of your time. Interesting how I can subscribe with a click but can't cancel with one.

Privacy.com and delete the card when you want to cancel. Screw these people, I may not be able to cancel but I can sure stop paying.

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by grobie » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 1:19 PM UTC

ostenning wrote: post #164

I wish this was more commonplace in Germany, here its not uncommon to have to send a physical letter to cancel a service

The legislation is just about to change in that regard https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/wissen/vertraege-reklamat...

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by collegeburner » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 1:20 PM UTC

cromka wrote: post #192

willio58 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had this same experience with For Hims. Super shady business practice that made me recommend against them ever since

They were shady to begin with by pushing finasteride.

Agreed. The number of people acting like an antiandrogen is something that should be taken casually to slow a cosmetic issue is ridiculous, especially with how much I've heard about post-finasteride syndrome.

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by collegeburner » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 1:23 PM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #150

konschubert wrote: post #144

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Or maybe there would be fewer of them, and the people who use them would pay a bit more. While the rest would enjoy the freed up real estate and the money saved.

10x more. It'd basically put the industry out of business.

There are already gyms that do not cater to the people who buy memberships and don't show up. Bodybuilding and powerlifting gyms, for instance. They cost about 2 to 3 times more from what I've seen.

Re: ‘Click to Cancel’ legislation introduced in Pennsylvania

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Post by Workaccount2 » Mon, Apr 18, 2022, 1:30 PM UTC

everdrive wrote: post #184

QuikAccount wrote: post #4

Fully in favor of this. I recently had to cancel a subscription that had no "cancel subscription" button and instead forced you to contact customer service so they could try to sell you on discounts and etc. No, just let me cancel and get on with my day. Unfortunately, it seems health clubs(and I assume gyms?) are exempt from this when they are like 80% of the problem.

There's a pretty easy lesson here: don't sign up for services. Or more realistically, sign up for as few services as possible, and treat every service with suspicion until proven otherwise. If you can't obtain a company's goods without signing up for a service, then seek an alternative. Services generally have two business models: - Spread a large cost over monthly payments so that customers will spend more than they…

SaaS is an absolute cancer. I know a lot of those fat six figure salaries are contingent on people paying $9.99/mo for a grocery shopping list app, but its getting out of hand. Sorry HN.