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5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

You say “their technique” and “this new tool”. For someone who hasn’t read Hof and Nestor, could you point to any resources explaining the specific techniques you are referring to? If I go down the Google/YT rabbit hole, I fear I’ll be confronted with hundreds of such techniques and just get utterly confused. Thank you.

I was curious too. Taken from [0], not my knowledge or opinions. (I'm new to all of this.)

- James Nestor - Breath:

"I love this book and it‘s more a kind of overview about different breathing systems and techniques. He writes about Wim Hof and also about Oxygen Advantage. It‘s a good starting point into the topic of breathing. Highly recommended."

"Breathe is like a pop sci intro to breathing. It covers a lot and not very deeply, but it is engaging, makes a good case, and have a few actionable things that have a larger payoff (mouth tape)."

- Patrick McKeown - Oxygen Advantage:

"The base of this book is the Buteyko method and Patrick follows a very scientific approach. He can explain all hows and whys without beeing to complicated. Also highly recommended. You will find breath holds and reduced breathing in different techniques. Focus is on sports and conditioning. Highly recommended."

"O2 Advantage goes a lot deeper and helps you systematically evaluate and improve your co2 tolerance and thereby improve your body's ability to use oxygen. If I only could recommend one of these three, it would be this one with Breathe as a close second (simply because it is so accessible). It gives clear guidelines, tests, and actionable steps to improve your breathing. It is a very useful book."

- Wim Hof - The Wim Hof Method:

"It’s basically about breathing, cold exposure and the mind. The breathing work is about overbreathing (hyperventilation) followed by a breathhold. There are times that I love it, but science is mostly against it. I guess nobody knows why this works. Pavel is against breath holds after hyperventilation by the way (SECOND WIND). But there are lots of people having success using the WHM. I can also recommend the newest book."

"Wim Hof. It mainly focuses on a intense breathing technique and cold exposure. I know a lot of people that swear by them. I've never had any benefits from them that I could tell. After talking to some people that were really into this, they pointed out that I'm way more stressed all the time than they are. Adding more stress when you are already at max doesn't exactly help and probably hurts (more info here). This is my least favorite of the three as it has a very narrow benefit and that benefit isn't applicable to a lot of people. since it is basically a book on how to increase stress levels through breathing and cold."

[0] https://www.strongfirst.com/community/threads/james-nestor%E...

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Well, maybe. As in: sure, a lot of breathing techniques and sometimes even useful natural remedies are some of the oldest recorded ones if they are coming from "the east", but in the end that corpus of wisdom is mostly a spaghetti mess of helpful and harmful techniques that is really hard to disentangle from cultism, oogie-boogie and autocratic belief systems. There's no shortage of stupidity in eastern "wisdom": htt…

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Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Oxygen Advantage is a great book. I'd recommend James Nestor's - 'Breath' [0] as a first read, however. I feel like the book has more real world application and I picked up a number of things outside of what I learned studying Hof breathwork. I also studied, prior to both books, with Wim Hof in Poland in 2017 on one of his week long expeditions. The in person experience of group breath work is something to experience…

Did you read _any_ of the negative reviews for "Breath"? It sounds like pseudo science to me.

Commenting on something you haven't read stating that it sounds like something isn't productive. Many of those reviews take statements from the book out of context. For example the one of those comments states the book claims a cure for ADHD. It doesn't. It's an anecdotal reference provided by Dr. Mark Burhenne. Just because a book gathers evidence in support of the books topic doesn't make it "psuedo science".

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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I do this 11 min Pranayama it helps a lot https://youtu.be/vhmbnsXOhx8

How does it help?

I do that Pranayama after some yoga session it helps me focus and overall improvement my digestive system works well and better sleep at night.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Interesting. I’m currently trying to lower blood pressure naturally and have found typical “in through nose, out through mouth” breathing exercises will drop mine a few points. Also, hand weights- 2 reps of 10 in each arm- will drop significantly. I have a lingering concern though that these are just ways to hack the test. In me, the drop has been temporary- by the afternoon it’s back up if that’s all I do. It is encouraging that this study seems to say there are long term benefits, but I still wonder if that’s because the treatments are allowing for better traditional cardio. In the video he kind of hints at that.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

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I practice yoga and pranayama but I think for many people decoupling the breathing exercises from the spiritual side encourages them to try things they would have otherwise have shunned. I also think many of the secular breathwork practitioners aren't being deceptive - many of them are very open about their influences - Wim Hof had certainly talked about his time in India etc. What is interesting for me is understanding more of the science so we can figure out which parts of these practices matter for what and whether some parts are extraneous.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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If you want to learn more about breathing I recommend checking out the book The Oxygen Advantage by Patrick Mckeown. It's got a bunch of different breathing exercises and ways to measure progress. It basically reteaches you how to breath too, which is fascinating on its own. Worth checking out for sure. https://www.amazon.com/Oxygen-Advantage-Scientifically-Breat...

Please don't take this the wrong way, but is there a tl;dr? Often these "self-help" books are the same concept repeated for 200 pages that can be summed up in a paragraph. How should I breathe?

An far as I have understood, the key point is the video. It shows a guy who is sucking air throw tough device called power-meter and the greater the power the better. Also, if I've understood correctly, the very process of training the breath power is something that actually lowers blood pressure. Correct me if I am wrong because my English is not fluent and I may miss some points.

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

Where can you buy one? Which one did you buy? Does it require a prescription?

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oxygen Advantage is a great book. I'd recommend James Nestor's - 'Breath' [0] as a first read, however. I feel like the book has more real world application and I picked up a number of things outside of what I learned studying Hof breathwork. I also studied, prior to both books, with Wim Hof in Poland in 2017 on one of his week long expeditions. The in person experience of group breath work is something to experience…

Interestingly, Breath demonstrates that what we used to think is an O2 advantage is actually a CO2 advantage.

Yes and this is exactly what Tummo/Hof capitalize on - better known as the "Bohr Effect" [0]

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK526028/

Re: 5-min breathing workout lowers blood pressure as much as exercise, drugs (2021)

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After reading Wim Hof and James Nestor a couple years ago during the pandemic, I used their techniques in full while battling long Covid. I had a blood pressure monitor and pulse oximeter on my bedside table that I would experiment with doing these various techniques and seeing my heart rate go down, my blood pressure go down, my anxiety would disappear, lung/chest inflammation would settle, and even oxygen levels in…

Where can you buy one? Which one did you buy? Does it require a prescription?

Amazon has both. I have a OMRON Bluetooth blood pressure cuff. Don’t have a finger pulse oximeter, but my Apple Watch has one.
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