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Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by newaccount74 »

ggreg84 wrote: post #154
yewenjie wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, how and why did Apple suddenly become cost-effective?

When the M1 was released... a year ago... You could buy a 900$ laptop with a better CPU than any laptop out there. 20 hours battery life (almost 3x any other laptop out there). Silent (no fans). With a great screen, a great keyboard, lightweight, well built, etc. Basically a machine that was more than 2x cheaper of competing laptops at 2500 $ or more, yet had more than 2x of everything.

... if you can live with machines that just come with the bare minimum RAM and SSD. If you get the Macs with the same amount of storage that the PCs come with, the $900 laptop quickly becomes a $2000 laptop.

I wish I could get back all the time I've wasted helping relatives deal with their Photos libraries and backups just because they got the entry level machine with skimpy storage...

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by tonguez »

Don't a lot of people want a computer in the 1000-2000$ range? The average person who wants to do video editing on an M1 mac just wants >=32GB of RAM. The only way to get that is to shell out $2000+.

M1 Mac Mini with 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD for $1100

M1 Max Mac Studio with 32GB RM and 512GB SSD for $2000

Yeah because nobody ever buys a computer that costs between $1000 and $2000... ?

A 512GB SSD in a $2k computer? People who deal with HD video are going to want at least 1TB right? So it basically starts at $2200?

Is Apple going to release anything anytime soon for the young/not-rich kids who want to do real video editing (need >=32GB RAM)?

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by andjd »

rovr138 wrote: post #13
kccoder wrote: post #8

Apple said that Max's CPU is up to 2.5x faster and the Ultra's CPU is up to 3.8x faster than whatever intel CPU is in the iMac Pro, so you're getting about 52% more CPU performance with Ultra's doubling in CPU cores vs the Max, so definitely feeling some linear scaling limitations with the interconnect.

There has to be overhead to not have to deal with the multi-cpu architecture in software. It's impressive

I don't work in the relevant space, but what makes coding for multi-cpu substantially harder than programming for multiple cores? Is it just having to manage separate memory for each CPU?

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by NorwegianDude »

otterley wrote: post #79
nerdjon wrote: post #15

More and more I see the M1 chips and I wish Mac worked seriously well for gaming. Would love too see something like Proton but for Mac (given up hopes for native support). I hate that I have my gaming PC and then my Mac for everything else. I have to wonder though what their plan is for the M2. Are they laying the groundwork for when the M2 comes out all of these variants will be ready at the same time? Or a gradual…

Tell the game developers! They need to hear from you that the demand is there.

Giving Apple more power by making software for their products for free that Apple wants a large cut from doesn't sound like a good idea.

Make games for Linux, and let Apple figure out a compatability layer to make it work on their products. That's the way it should be.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by kube-system »

bogwog wrote: post #155

The 2TB option is an extra $400. That's $200/TB. The 4TB option is $250/TB. The 8TB option is $275/TB. That looks like planned obsolescence to me. A customer with 1TB will likely want to upgrade sooner than a customer with 8TB, so this pricing strategy discourages people from buying the more future-proof options. Other SSDs on the market tend to be cheaper per TB as you go up in size, but Apple's seem to be completel…

"Options" are a popular marketing scheme to have your customers with deep pockets subsidize a lower starting price at the bottom end while keeping the same overall margin. Doesn't matter if you're Works the same way whether you're buying a Mac, buying SaaS software, or buying a car.

Apple does use very good quality SSDs, so I would expect them to be premium priced regardless.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by unfocussed_mike »

yurishimo wrote: post #100
unfocussed_mike wrote: post #78

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Right, but the keynote is marketing. And they've been saying that for, what, nearly a decade now? [0] And in that time they have chipped away at that segment from different directions, with the iMac Pro and the Mac Studio. The latter of which is a beast already. What's left? Render farms, scaleable computing. I guess I think there will be some sort of new machine in that segment. But I figure it's not going to be wha…

They released a new Mac Pro in 2019. I think there is a strong possibility for a revision late this year or next year.

OK but to what end?

Looking at the Mac Studio... what would an M1-based, drop-in Mac Pro replacement offer on top? That sounds like a tail-end product.

It's not like 2022 Apple is the kind of business that announces deep partnerships with graphics card makers.

It feels more to me like we're going to see either something that is half-rack-half-Mac, or something with major developments in neural engine hardware, or something.

A new segment -- something that is going to need significant new OS work.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by cj »

NorwegianDude wrote: post #152
nouveaux wrote: post #71

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> they're doing it at a price point that's competitive compared to all of the companies out there I think they're blowing all their competitors out of the water with the price point. It's not just a 10-20% difference in price anymore.

$8k for 128GB RAM, 8 TB solid state storage and 22 trillion ops/sec isn't exactly a bargain. I do however image that the performance per watt will be really good.

> $8k for 128GB RAM, 8 TB solid state storage

Maybe not, but 32GB RAM + 512GB SSD for $2k is a pretty competitive price point.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by karlshea »

unfocussed_mike wrote: post #173
karlshea wrote: post #157

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What? It's a whole new tower with PCIe slots and everything, and was super well received. Were you still under the impression they were selling the trashcan Mac Pro?

I simply forgot that they made it. I forgot a lot of stuff in 2020 and 2021, like most people. But by extension I certainly don't remember it being "super well received", or I'd probably have remembered it at all. Either way: look at it. It's a tower PC. Do you think the current Apple trajectory has any meaningful room for that? What are people going to really be putting in it except disks?

If all you want is disks then the Mac Studio seems to be exactly what you'd want. I would assume people that want a tower want exactly what you were asking for above, which is GPUs or other cards like audio engineers need.

I didn't see a single negative review of the tower at all, so I'm really not sure where that comes from. And they said during the keynote today a new one is coming.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by lelandfe »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #159
nerdjon wrote: post #15

More and more I see the M1 chips and I wish Mac worked seriously well for gaming. Would love too see something like Proton but for Mac (given up hopes for native support). I hate that I have my gaming PC and then my Mac for everything else. I have to wonder though what their plan is for the M2. Are they laying the groundwork for when the M2 comes out all of these variants will be ready at the same time? Or a gradual…

There is a lot of support for M1. See these lists. Please note though that "playable" does not mean "on par with other platforms", ie, Windows and Xbox / Playstation. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1er-NivvuIheDmIKBVRu3... https://applesilicongames.com/

I believe OP meant Mac, not M1 - I.e. that there are many multitudes of AAA games that still have not hit macOS.

You’re right, though, that M1 has pretty decent parity with Intel Macs for games now.

Re: Apple Mac Studio

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Post by MBCook »

QuikAccount wrote: post #90

This is such a random thing to complain about but I hate these Mac product pages with the animations as you scroll. I guess they are designed for mobile but I navigate them on a desktop using a mouse wheel and they always look super clunky.

Apple does them FAR better than anyone else. I can’t remember if they did it first, or just popularized it, but it works well for what it is.

That said, while it looks cool, after the first time you’ve used it it’s just a pain to navigate. I kind of wish it was a separate “intro” page or something.

(They’re annoying on mobile too, but work better than desktop)

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