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If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by throwaway290 »

sega_sai wrote: post #133
throwaway290 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countries did not close borders to regular citizens. Unless your insist on flying a Russian airline, you can leave and apply for residence or even asylum (if you are against the war, you are under threat of political prosecution).

not exactly true. In retaliation to prohibiting Russian airlines in their airspace, Russia in turn prohibited the airlines of other countries in Russia. So right now you can fly to some Soviet republics, Turkey, Israel, South Korea and that's it I think.

If you are looking to evacuate, possibly seek asylum a layover flight won't kill you.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by eurasiantiger »

rini17 wrote: post #46

I am from Czechoslovakia, trying to imagine what would happen in 1980s if people then were getting unexpected political calls from unknown foreigners. They would mostly assume it is a secret service provocation and react accordingly. Yes that's hard to believe for westerners that your own state would do such nasty stuff to you, but it was commonplace then. Shortwave radio station that is possible to tune to in Moscow…

It is possible this is exactly what you describe.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by lostcolony »

99_00 wrote: post #98
lostcolony wrote: post #7

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If only someone was there, able to take pictures and report on it! You know, like all the news organizations across the world. Or refugees were streaming out of the area with horror stories. And satellite pictures and spy planes showed Russian troop movements. And the tyrant of Russia even said he was sending troops into another sovereign country, while contextualizing it under an obviously false narrative (that woul…

>Get out of here with however many worthless rubles you're getting paid. You're triggered because I have a different opinion. It's coming from fear and pain. I feel nothing but compassion for you right now.

I don't think you understand what 'triggered' means; you certainly don't know where my post is coming from. Feel whatever you like; the point is your attempts at projecting yourself as some critical thinker only paint you as someone with their fingers in their ears, eyes closed, choosing to believe what you want to believe rather than what the entirety of evidence indicates.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by [deleted] »

cloverich wrote: post #188
antisthenes wrote: post #122

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The person you replied to is against a feel-good lose-lose solution. That's pretty good. What are YOU doing better?

Their condescending, sarcastic response implied (somewhat ambiguously) that it was too small and insignificant an effort and therefore not worth doing. They didn’t make a meaningful argument why. They further glossed over any knock on effects, such as what the caller might learn about the callees viewpoints and situation. Sometimes action driven by good intent that does not lead to a desired outcome can serve as a pr…

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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by wbsss4412 »

cloverich wrote: post #188
antisthenes wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person you replied to is against a feel-good lose-lose solution. That's pretty good. What are YOU doing better?

Their condescending, sarcastic response implied (somewhat ambiguously) that it was too small and insignificant an effort and therefore not worth doing. They didn’t make a meaningful argument why. They further glossed over any knock on effects, such as what the caller might learn about the callees viewpoints and situation. Sometimes action driven by good intent that does not lead to a desired outcome can serve as a pr…

Read my subsequent response. The point isn’t solely that it’s insignificant, it’s actively counter productive.

How many Americans would have responded well to unsolicited calls in 2003 from Iranians saying the Iraq war was misguided?

The condescension was in response to the assertion that not making said calls was equivalent to letting Ukrainians die, which is ridiculous.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by elliekelly »

bombcar wrote: post #97
dmix wrote: post #67

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Interesting, they are at least honest about it... I've always wondered how good nation states are at converting the speech to text. In my experience working with stuff like Twilio it can be a challenge to do it at scale when trying to identify individual speakers then generating a screenplay like output.

I assume they are at least as good at is as Zoom is, and Zoom transcripts are frighteningly good.

Text to speech doesn’t have any mechanism for “recording” the tone of the speaker. Something that will be perfectly “acceptable” in a transcript can be said in such a way that it’s meaning to the listener is the complete opposite of it’s meaning to the reader.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by dncornholio »

xdennis wrote: post #100
dncornholio wrote: post #32

I'm sorry for mentioning this but so far the content on HN about Ukraine has been of very low quality. Today only a 'call Russia' and a 'Putin is actually smart' post. I hoped to find many interesting developments, but HN has been awfully quiet on this war (for good reasons probably), but the content that has been posted has been mediocre IMHO.

Sorry to hear that the content this war is producing isn't entertaining enough for you.

Excuse me? It's happening in my own continent. Being entertained is something I have a lot trouble with the past 2 weeks.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by throwaway290 »

mzs wrote: post #160
nirui wrote: post #74

Phone call is sort term, high effort, and maybe even annoying to those pro-Russians. Just a thought: I been viewing the evidences of Russian war crimes (photograph, video) that people posted on Twitter since the very beginning of the invasion. A lot's of them are real and fact-checked. Maybe it could be a good idea to setup some sort of online and physical memorial to show the timelines of how each single innocent pe…

We could mail photos to Russians and air drop them in Ukraine where Russian forces are.

I am curious what makes people keep directing things at ordinary people in Russia. Imagine WWII, except with the world trying to shame people in Germany instead of actually fighting. We'd probably live in a world with very different history books.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by alkonaut »

NoGravitas wrote: post #63
alkonaut wrote: post #56

Why aren't russians telling eachother? At least a fraction of russians read and trust trustworthy (international) news sources, but if their peers won't believe them, why would they believe me if I called them? Russia isn't North Korea. Yes there has been a tightening lately and all easily accessible media has been propaganda for a long time. But that doesn't mean any Russian can't - with some effort - consume a wide…

> Russians have a responsibility to protest the regime now, carrying the personal risk despite perhaps having little to no personal responsibility. Else they have the blood of Ukrainians on their hands. Back in 2003, Americans had a responsibility to protest the Bush regime. And hundreds of thousands of us did, but it didn't do a damn bit of good. We still have the blood of over one million Iraqis on our hands. Russi…

I won’t comment whataboutism in this thread or any other.

> what moral grounds do Americans have to say anything about it?

Interesting question, but even if every American shuts up billions of us can still speak up.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by alkonaut »

comrh wrote: post #126
NoGravitas wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Russians have a responsibility to protest the regime now, carrying the personal risk despite perhaps having little to no personal responsibility. Else they have the blood of Ukrainians on their hands. Back in 2003, Americans had a responsibility to protest the Bush regime. And hundreds of thousands of us did, but it didn't do a damn bit of good. We still have the blood of over one million Iraqis on our hands. Russi…

What country doesn't have a history filled with blood?

Since the dawn of the liberal world order and international law?

Or throughout human history? We aren’t condemning Russians for atrocities even 50 years back we are talking the past 2 weeks or possibly the past 8 years.

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