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Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by keymone »

dang wrote: post #187
keymone wrote: post #149

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> I'm no authority to classify or confirm whether RT is a "government propaganda vehicle". russian war shill, go fuck yourself.

You've been breaking the HN guidelines so badly, so repeatedly, and so shockingly, we have no choice but to ban the account. I don't want to do that, but this is not allowable here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30589122 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30588903 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30588535 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30588380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30588322 https://…

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Post by throw_m239339 »

yrgulation wrote: post #20

The fact that pro putin’s propaganda channel comments are getting upvoted, while those against are downvoted says a lot about the type of people that use this forum. Russia today and sputnik constantly promote anti western values, politicians and groups and are a major source of misinformation yet some call banning these weapons of war censorship. Appalling.

Some people are indeed really hard at work at creating a false equivalency or apathy. But it is to be expected on a public forum now. The kremlin is going to use western's freedoms against us, while granting their own citizens none.

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Post by friedturkey »

foverzar wrote: post #161
friedturkey wrote: post #68

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Russia is also a known hotbed for neonazis. So is Alabama. Just because a region has small factions of race extremists it doesn’t mean they’re blowing up nuclear reactors. But Russia’s history of false flag operations and whataboutism are so well-documented that it’s literally a textbook example. They’ve invaded Georgia and Ukraine before using the same exact lies. Putin’s history in Chechnya is also horrific. So you…

> Russia is also a known hotbed for neonazis Any source to it that doesn't try to stretch the meaning of pseudo-term "right-wing" to mean "neonazis"? Are there knows instances of Russia openly incorporating entities publicly identifying with neonazi rhetorics and symbolics into their government structures? > But Russia’s history of false flag operations and whataboutism are so well-documented that it’s literally a te…

I mean there’s the Wagner Group very conspicuously using a German name despite being Russian and familiar skull design acting as a paramilitary organization in Russia’s “liberation” activities. [1]

There’s the fact 90% of Ukraine was completely peaceful just a month ago other than Russian funded “separatists” in the east constantly stirring things up. [2]

Russia claimed the whole Crimea operation was soldiers on vacation until they started blowing the place up and seized it. [3]

And Russia’s detraction from its own issues is so well known it has a wiki article. [4]

You’re more transparent than you think you are.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group

[2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/08/2...

[4] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

Re: Russian news channel RT to broadcast on Rumble after Big Tech curbs

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Post by fer »

shabier wrote: post #180
fer wrote: post #176

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You have people defending Putin and his war on western media. You can find them without trouble. On the other hand, I dare you to find an RT story critical of Putin, without any sugarcoating. Beyond the war, on literally any topic. So no, it's not western media from a Russian POV.

You cannot simply give me one criterion, one that's conveniently specific to RT, to validate the statement in parent. Both sides are, generally speaking, enforcing a narrative and rejecting objectivity in favor of the narrative ergo it's propaganda

It's the only criterion that matters when that country started a war. It's not specific to RT, it's specific to all media still able to publish and air in Russia.

Freedom of press for me but not for thee.

Any war the US started had significant opposition in local media. Saying that it's the same is disingenuous at best, Russian propaganda at worst.

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Post by [deleted] »

loudmax wrote: post #55
herdcall wrote: post #32

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Yes, but I'm not sure we can trust what's coming out of Ukraine/Zelensky either, like 10K Russians killed, victory is imminent, etc. This way at least we may get tidbits from the other side, including arguments/thoughts from Russia side. E.g., I saw a post yesterday on Medium that Ukraine is discriminating against black refugees ( https://medium.com/alternative-perspectives/why-are-black-pe... ). If you're only liste…

There's no question that discrimination against Ukrainian refugees of non-European origin is reprehensible. The trouble is keeping a sense of the scale of this injustice compared to the scale of the invasion. Failing to give aid to African and South Asian university students trying to flee the war is bad. Vladimir Putin's media outlets would have us believe that since there is some good and some bad on both sides, th…

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Post by jbverschoor »

disambiguation wrote: post #166
jbverschoor wrote: post #2

Good. It's insane that the west is calling out censorship from Russia, but is doing the exact same thing itself.

It's not really insane, it's a difficult dilemma. To play devils advocate, why should we give our enemies the same rights as our neighbors? Both cohorts are not held accountable in the same ways, nor can we expect our enemies to reciprocate the same good faith. I think in principle free speech is good, but RT news - and any and all messaging coming out of Russia - should be classified as such. If said propaganda is d…

Let’s block all advertorials or posts that are biased. Ads used to be called “commercial propaganda”

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Post by disambiguation »

jbverschoor wrote: post #197
disambiguation wrote: post #166

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It's not really insane, it's a difficult dilemma. To play devils advocate, why should we give our enemies the same rights as our neighbors? Both cohorts are not held accountable in the same ways, nor can we expect our enemies to reciprocate the same good faith. I think in principle free speech is good, but RT news - and any and all messaging coming out of Russia - should be classified as such. If said propaganda is d…

Let’s block all advertorials or posts that are biased. Ads used to be called “commercial propaganda”

That's not what I'm suggesting.

The problem is ultimately anonymity, and people trusting anonymous posts as face value.

If we had a rigorous identity layer, a lot of this would be resolved.

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Post by jbverschoor »

disambiguation wrote: post #198
jbverschoor wrote: post #197

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Let’s block all advertorials or posts that are biased. Ads used to be called “commercial propaganda”

That's not what I'm suggesting. The problem is ultimately anonymity, and people trusting anonymous posts as face value. If we had a rigorous identity layer, a lot of this would be resolved.

People also trust non-anonymous posts. You just have to form your own view based on several sources, and try to verify / dismiss some of them. Put everything together, hopefully not like in the movies (wall full of pictures, thumbtacks, and rope)

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Post by disambiguation »

jbverschoor wrote: post #199
disambiguation wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I'm suggesting. The problem is ultimately anonymity, and people trusting anonymous posts as face value. If we had a rigorous identity layer, a lot of this would be resolved.

People also trust non-anonymous posts. You just have to form your own view based on several sources, and try to verify / dismiss some of them. Put everything together, hopefully not like in the movies (wall full of pictures, thumbtacks, and rope)

Sure identified sources can be bad actors too, but that doesn't really matter w.r.t free speech.

For one, the effects are asymmetric. Anonymous bad actors can do more harm than identified sources can do good. Identity discourages bad behavior.

Second, free speech and other ideals of liberalism assume that people are fundamentally good. So if the identified sources are openly bad actors such that they out weigh the good actors, then you're kind of screwed regardless.

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