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Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by addandsubtract »

daxuak wrote: post #157
lostwords wrote: post #99

It's the first action against Russia that made me angry. It's so stupid and wrong at the same time. So, in Russia all the cards will work, nothing is changed here (despite the statements of Visa and Mastercard). Cards issued by Russian banks would stop work abroad. The same is true for any foreign cards in Russia. So, foreigners in Russia are fucked. People who left Russia in a hurry because they didn't want to be pa…

People paying servers to selfhost are also fucked. This makes absolutely no sense since we all know the oligarchs etc will have oversea bankings and stay float. It's the average people who get punished, all for something they have no control over.

No control over? Not with that attitude, I guess.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by r00fus »

Chyzwar wrote: post #108
phs318u wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Imagine if they had social media in the 30s-40s. I have thought about this, and given the amount of pro-Fascist sentiment in Western Europe, WWII probably wouldn't have happened. Germany would probably have gotten away with taking Austria, Czechoslovakia, possibly the lands forfeited to France after WWI and at least part of Poland. The world would look VERY different to today. Assuming Japan stuck to their neck of…

Nazi Germany had no choice but continue war in 1939. The economy was close to collapse and food shortages were coming. Nazi concept of Lebensraum would require conquest to the east. I think with social media in that period, national socialism and communism could win in more countries.

Uhm. National socialism is fascism, not communism.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by 331c8c71 »

megous wrote: post #148
331c8c71 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU is irrelevant. They could be EU if they agree to neutrality and let go of crimea and donbass. EDIT: EU was explicitly mentioned as irrelevant by putins press-secretary in a recent press conference (he was asked about it).

And how exactly would Putin's pupet government work towards joining the EU? It's not like it's a job for normal citizens to work towards that. This requires a desire and a massive effort of a whole government, to achieve. Sounds like a joke.

Thats not putins problem if whoever ukraine "elects" is not able to join EU or if the EU doesn't take them. No one forbids them.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by lvs »

colesantiago wrote: post #71

Please do not use crypto no matter how tempting it is to join the Ponzi scheme as I said before and many other critics like Stephen Diehl (@smdiehl), Molly White (@molly0xFFF) (@web3isgreat creator) and more reliable critics. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30512981 Please try use Paypal with a VPN or in another country, Moneygram, Western Union or use cash, better yet use Transferwise (Wise) or buy gift cards t…

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Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by colesantiago »

323 wrote: post #131
colesantiago wrote: post #114

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> I’m not pro crypto or pro Russia, but the fact that it’s so easy to lose ones freedom to transact[0] I am absolutely sure that Transferwise is still available for Russians to use, so the freedom to transact isn't really lost. 'Cryptocurrencies' should not be used at all.

> Payments companies Wise, Remitly suspend money transfer businesses in Russia https://www.reuters.com/technology/payments-company-wise-sus...

Western Union and Moneygram exists in Russia no?

You do realise that Transferwise isn’t the only money transfer service, there only given as an example.

The fact that the article states that there was a limit shows this ‘ban’ is only a temporary measure by Wise.

As I said you can still use other regulated alternatives.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by chrsw »

331c8c71 wrote: post #185
chrsw wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it Putin's business what Ukraine thinks of NATO?

Because Ukraine is neighboring Russia and is of strategic importance in its security considerations. Once ukraine is in nato russia has no leverage over what kind of arms are deployed there for instance. Did you hear about the Carribean crisis?

What I'm taking from this response is that it wasn't his business to do what he's doing right now.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by Torifyme12 »

cm2187 wrote: post #129
samwillis wrote: post #5

Mirror: https://archive.ph/d5RmA (was down) Key passage: “ With this action, cards issued by Russian banks will no longer be supported by the Mastercard network. And, any Mastercard issued outside of the country will not work at Russian merchants or ATMs.” I don’t believe it’s clear that cards issued in Russia are not still being accepted within Russia. Which is what I believe Visa is still doing: “ all transactions…

But imagine the disruption for ordinary citizens. Like you won't be able to renew your domain names, or pay for office 365/gsuite/aws/azure. Companies who didn't migrate to the cloud won't look so stupid. Stephen Kotkin warned in a recent interview that the russians have their own way they can wreck havoc in our economies, like cutting undersea cables. And I also wonder if at one point the loss of revenues from cutti…

If Russia cuts the undersea cables that's going to be even worse for them.

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by 331c8c71 »

chrsw wrote: post #197
331c8c71 wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Ukraine is neighboring Russia and is of strategic importance in its security considerations. Once ukraine is in nato russia has no leverage over what kind of arms are deployed there for instance. Did you hear about the Carribean crisis?

What I'm taking from this response is that it wasn't his business to do what he's doing right now.

The US cannot blame itself for being irresponsible in Ukraine (because the US is never wrong, not in the moment at least) hence the narrative of Putin being the new Hitler trying to build a new great russia (or similar).

Re: MasterCard suspends all services in Russia

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Post by xdennis »

ghiculescu wrote: post #21

I’m not pro crypto or pro Russia, but the fact that it’s so easy to lose ones freedom to transact[0] (regardless of the specific merits here) is troubling. [0] https://mobile.twitter.com/punk6529/status/14944446246304030...

> it’s so easy to lose ones freedom to transact

How is it easy? Does your country's dictator regularly invade neighbors without so much as pretext and targets civilians?

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