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Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Can't wait for framework laptop to run Linux/Ubuntu stable (without battery drain issues) Then I'll be switching all the developers in our company over to a new machine. (Currently running XPS 13, but we are due an upgrade, especially on memory)

I’m using Arch with Wayland and Sway and I notice very little battery drain. I generally shut it down overnight though. Do most people rarely shut down their laptops?

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Genuine question here. I run gentoo on an NVMe drive and I have zero reason to use sleep or hibernate as my machine gets to the DE in under 30s. What use cases are there that absolutely requires these features when boot times are so short?

I'm also curious why people are so keen on needing a device to be powered on and ready to go within a second or two. On my Framework (running Windows) I have it set up to hibernate when the lid closes to preserve battery. It takes about 10 seconds to get back into the desktop when I open the lid again. It's not like I'm opening/closing the lid dozens of times a day; I open it, work for a few hours, then close it. It'…

The thing is, your phone never goes to "sleep" or powers off in those situations. The screen is off, that's all

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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The way I have things set up, my browser opens all my last tabs and I have things set to start the browser and a few other programs at boot. What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?

Debugging has already been mentioned. I run lots of programs that take several hours too, be that copying files or transcoding or processing some data. Right now I have something running that won't be done for two days. And when I have 20 programs open, even if it only takes 15-30 seconds per program to get them going again that's a bunch of time I didn't need to waste. And even the programs I have that autostart sti…

I also have programs that can take weeks to run, but I just leave my computer on and running in those cases. I have never trusted sleep or hibernate to properly handle those situations and I don't want to lose data. Not to mention, if I'm pausing it while its running it will take even longer to finish.

Debugging I can understand, as that's a bit of a different beast than a program that can run unattended.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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The way I have things set up, my browser opens all my last tabs and I have things set to start the browser and a few other programs at boot. What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?

>What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible? Developing an application in Lisp and there's all kinds of state in the REPL right now. Gotta pick kid up from preschool, just close the lid and it'll be exactly as I left it when I come home. Have a document open in an ad-hoc fashion (i.e. it's some PDF for work, not something on my autostart list) and I…

I guess I also don't understand the "closing the lid to leave" behavior as well. My laptop is integrated into a desktop setup with external monitors and it only gets closed when I actually take it out of the house. Otherwise screen locking and letting the monitors go sleep is fine with me

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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The task I want to do is quick, and I don't want to spend 30 seconds waiting to start something that might finish in less time than that. A bunch of browser tabs are open, and I don't feel like recovering them at relaunch. I have my app windows set up exactly the way I like them, down to the pixel. I'm used to my phone, TV, microwave, wristwatch, stereo, and car not needing to boot up.

Window tiling has killed off my need to worry about app window position. I used to have a nasty habit of opening a text editor during the day and taking random notes during phone calls or as I worked. Several forced restarts (administrative, accidental or hardware related) forced me to start using those sticky-note apps. I've moved to Joplin now (very structured, supports markdown, syncs to dropbox periodically, is m…

I also use window tiling, everything goes where I want it to be and quickly. I almost never have to putz with placement unless I'm doing something new.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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Two things. Emacs as a daemon! And. Emacs 28 native compilation. Absolute game changer for speed in a million ways. Scrolling a 5000 line python source file with all the packages, syntax highlighting, etc etc, is buttery smooth: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GccEmacs

Yeah… I should probably set up the daemon sometime. I just tweak my config so much (it's Emacs, c'mon) that it's just been simpler for me for some reason to just launch it fresh for forever. native-comp doesn't do anything for start up. Good tip though—I've been running bleeding-edge Emacs for a while now. ;-) I ran `esup` and figured out most of the slowdown is from the otherwise excellent straight.el [1] package ma…

Native comp doesn't do anything for for startup implicitly, absolutely. There are no startup optimizations or anything like that. However, the speed with which elisp runs on native comp seems to be between 1.5 and 10 times faster. I run emacs on a lot of underpowered arm devices (think rpi zero) and use my full config. And the decrease in startup time on those machines was astonishing.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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post #132

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Genuine question here. I run gentoo on an NVMe drive and I have zero reason to use sleep or hibernate as my machine gets to the DE in under 30s. What use cases are there that absolutely requires these features when boot times are so short?

The task I want to do is quick, and I don't want to spend 30 seconds waiting to start something that might finish in less time than that. A bunch of browser tabs are open, and I don't feel like recovering them at relaunch. I have my app windows set up exactly the way I like them, down to the pixel. I'm used to my phone, TV, microwave, wristwatch, stereo, and car not needing to boot up.

Why even turn the computer off? Is there a reason to not leave it plugged in and just let the monitors fall asleep?

I could understand if you're away from a plug and/or on the move though.

Also if cars have computers, don't they cold boot when you turn the car on? Phones and smart watches never truly "turn off" their screen goes into sleep mode which is fast to turn on

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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I'm also curious why people are so keen on needing a device to be powered on and ready to go within a second or two. On my Framework (running Windows) I have it set up to hibernate when the lid closes to preserve battery. It takes about 10 seconds to get back into the desktop when I open the lid again. It's not like I'm opening/closing the lid dozens of times a day; I open it, work for a few hours, then close it. It'…

Not judging, but this thread goes to show how differently people use computers and what they’re willing to tolerate. Personally I haven’t used hibernate in over a decade and my machines typically run 6 months until I have to reboot for updates. If I had to wait ~10 seconds every time I wanted to google something, I wouldn’t use my PC nearly as often as I do today. Maybe that’s why mobile is dominant in so many catego…

Yeah, but it's not like every time you want to search the web you're opening up your laptop, going to a browser, doing the search, and then closing the laptop, right?

You're right that this is why I use my phone to do quick searches so often- it's on and searching within seconds. Even faster to use my voice to search instead of typing.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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You don't have to do any of that with a Framework and Ubunut/Pop. The only real thing to adjust was getting the fingerprint sensor working, which really was copy/pasting a script. Everything else worked perfectly out of the box.

That's good to hear! However there also seems to be a problem with battery drain when the laptop is sleeping which kinda defeats the purpose of a laptop for me. It would be great if that was supported out of the box as well.

You can fix the battery drain issue by changing one line in a config file. The issue is from how Intel chips handle hibernation w/ Linux, so not a Framework specific issue though.

Re: Bringing the Framework Laptop to more of the world

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??? I absolutely love the touchpad on the Framework. I think people got spoiled by Macbook touchpads- no, and I mean NO, Linux/Windows laptops out there have a comparable touchpad to the Macbook. What the Framework has is good for what's available. Honestly I don't mind tap-to-click vs. press-to-click. I can agree that the speakers aren't stellar but that's something I don't care about on a laptop since I always have…

>I think people got spoiled by Macbook touchpads- no, and I mean NO, Linux/Windows laptops out there have a comparable touchpad to the Macbook. What the Framework has is good for what's available. That's a dealbreaker for me. I'm not one of those people that carries around en external mouse and stuff. I bought a laptop for a reason. "Better than the hot garbage trackpad on my wife's Dell" is not good enough.

Then sad to say you will be stuck on Apple hardware for the foreseeable future. It's all a matter of preference, too- I used to have a newer Dell and thought the trackpad was totally fine.
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