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You're ignoring what I wrote entirely. We're not calling it an insurrection because it's a protest. We're calling it an insurrection because it's a protest with the express stated goal of overthrowing the democratically elected government.
I haven't followed very closely so perhaps I missed it, but is there a source on that? Only thing I can find is the reporting on Jagmeet Singh comments who is opposed to the truckers.
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The definition of an insurrection is "a violent uprising against an authority or government." Where is the violence? I'm seeing people dancing and enjoying themselves. So much joy. It's like a big festival. People are helping each other and coming together. I see families and food banks being filled, trash cleaned up. Please post videos of all the violence. Btw, you can see an endless feed of the types of events I've…
I don't believe there has been a level of violence that has been concerning or comparable to other protests. There has been the usual behaviour you see in these protests, including harassment of people wearing masks, healthcare workers, businesses, etc. A small amount of riot-associated behaviour like breaking windows of businesses. It has largely been peaceful. Overt violence isn't necessary to the definition of ins…
>an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
Which protest does not meet that criteria?
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Because I'm sympathetic to their plight. I'm a class traitor frankly. My whole family works in jobs like this that have been impacted. One of my old co-founders was a 24 big-rig truck mechanic and his dad is being put out of business by the California CARB restrictions. But aside from the specifics, I find it odd that people are decrying cross-national donations of money to causes. Were similar complaints made about…
These protests are a disruption specific to the internal affairs of Canada. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the continent. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Mede…
Agreed. The xinjiang intern- uhh... vocational education and training centers are an issue that that's specific to the internal affairs of China. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the world. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Chinese people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Medellín Cartel, or any other faction.
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Unpopular with wealthier people who are inconvenienced, very popular amongst what the media like to call 'populists' - ie the people who deliver the rich people's chattels
Do you have a citation on that claim? For example, it seems like they're on the wrong side by a large factor on things like vaccine mandates: https://theconversation.com/majority-of-canadians-disagree-w... It also seems unlikely that, say, the workers at factories who were prevented from working are rich people…
https://angusreid.org/omicron-incidence-restrictions/ - scroll down to "Part Four: What now? Majority want restrictions to end"; 54% of Canadians want the mandates to end.
OTOH, this poll https://abacusdata.ca/ottawa-survey-freedom-convoy/ suggests that about 22% of Canadians support the convoy and 67% don't.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unpopular with wealthier people who are inconvenienced, very popular amongst what the media like to call 'populists' - ie the people who deliver the rich people's chattels
"The People are on our side!" "Everyone against us is against The People!" Hmm, where I have heard that rhetoric before...
This one?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_de_lib%C3%A9ration_du_...
The claim can be proven or disproven with elections. But I think that Trudeau would win rather easily pitted against this extremist, apparently foreign funded fringe.
Even Canada's conservatives don't want to be associated with them anymore.
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These protests are a disruption specific to the internal affairs of Canada. The U.S. has long had a dominant power relationship with the rest of the continent. The way that Americans have imposed their views on both sides of this internal conflict is both patronizing and deleterious to the self-determination of the Canadian people. It would be as suspect if one was to donate to the Shining Path, the Contras, the Mede…
if we're gonna start playing by the "if it has nothing to do with your country then keep out of it" rule then it's a great idea to establish this now before the 2024 US elections, ideally before the upcoming midterms as well. I'm fine with this development as long as we all agree to play by the same rules and remain consistent.
If these protests become an issue for American national security and strategic geopolitical interest then yes NATO should make preparations as in other flashpoints but for now the situation has not yet escalated to such a degree. The U.S. did not intervene during the coup attempt against Erdogan in Turkey in 2016 either.
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Its about the fringe right being angry.
Maybe, but angry about vaccines or worker's rights? :-)
Angry about sience!
https://preview.redd.it/pj9zbnm03gh81.jpg?width=640&crop=sma...
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> then assigning morality based on party orientation? Somehow painting the right as working class victims, and the left as upper class aggressors? Actually you read that into that based on your own biases. I was deliberate _not_ to do this specifically. The establishment media and government mouthpieces, both left and right, have demonized the shit out of this protest and painted them as nazis, terrorists or any othe…
I don't get this... You're saying it's my bias that the protestors are right leaning, and therefore the attackers are left? Isn't that just an open fact? You omitting it doesn't make it not true...
> Isn't that just an open fact?
No, it isn't. Not in their own words. If you've only been watching CBC/CNN, well, that's a big part of the problem then.
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#199As one of the donors included in this hack, I am not entirely sure what they're out to accomplish. Despite eye-rolling media mischaracterizations of these truckers as you-know-whats, it's a run of the mill workers strike. It has also been extremely peaceful and frankly comical at times. (We can contrast this with the "fiery yet mostly peaceful protests" of 2020 that negatively affected working class neighborhoods and…
GiveSendGo appears to be a Christian crowdfunding platform. Maybe it's nuanced but I am unable to see a Christian connection to the mask mandates or whatever the truckers are protesting.
Might be a good idea to learn what they are protesting, before trying to draw connections between what they are protesting and other things like religion.
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The definition of an insurrection is "a violent uprising against an authority or government." Where is the violence? I'm seeing people dancing and enjoying themselves. So much joy. It's like a big festival. People are helping each other and coming together. I see families and food banks being filled, trash cleaned up. Please post videos of all the violence. Btw, you can see an endless feed of the types of events I've…
I don't believe there has been a level of violence that has been concerning or comparable to other protests. There has been the usual behaviour you see in these protests, including harassment of people wearing masks, healthcare workers, businesses, etc. A small amount of riot-associated behaviour like breaking windows of businesses. It has largely been peaceful. Overt violence isn't necessary to the definition of ins…
The "usually" violent was added to that dictionary in 2013.