Would this allow alternative browser emgines on iOS?
App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee
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Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee
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I have yet to see a downside of this bill that isn’t solved by deleting or not installing offending apps.
Except that you can only do so after you know it is offending. By then the app could've siphoned all of your data.
This is the status quo on desktop OSes, and it's largely a solved problem.
A centralized monopolistic app store isn't solving the same "problem."
Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty much all Apple has to do to keep apps in App Store in the face of competition is drop their fees to less than 10% for all apps and drop bullshit like "you can't even link to your website if it lets users pay from there", and almost everyone except the most brazen will stay on App Store. We'll see what actually happens but I personally I doubt that Apple values user experience more than it values gouging develo…
> all Apple has to do is give a >60% discount to their current prices.
If being forced to compete fairly requires them to drop their prices by 60%, I think that’s a pretty good argument that they’re not competing fairly at the moment.
Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee
#194I blame consumers for the duopoly we have. I get that practically, it's a farce to call this choice we have real and significant but these marketplaces exist because of the demand. Making this duopoly more convenient for app-makers only kicks the can and further re-enforces the duopoly. In an ideal world, people would fund projects like the PinePhone or PostMarketOS, but our "solution" to the walled-garden is apparen…
Blame the consumer? Uh, no.
You're bringing up non-profit projects as proof that consumers aren't doing the right thing.
But, don't forget, there used to be a highly competitive commercial smartphone market until the competition was whittled down through acquisitions and exits.
Microsoft, Blackberry, Palm, Apple, Nokia, and Android all had their own smartphone OS simultaneously for a brief moment in time.
Consumers can't be blamed for market consolidation. If that's the case might as well blame them for T-Mobile buying Sprint or for the AT&T or Microsoft monopolies.
I don't know if this bill is the right bill but anti-trust is an issue of growing importance. You buy an expensive durable good and it shouldn't be left to the manufacturer to decide whether it wants to screw you over or not (and this same concept applies to things like cars, washing machines, etc).
Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is Hacker news, everyone reading this should be able to hack up something of personal use on their phone.
And they can. Nothing prevents that. If you think it does, you’ve been lied to.
Not true. Apple places a 7 day limit on developer mode side loaded apps when using a free account.
Sorry to link to Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/sideloaded/comments/8ht5uy/question...
Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Android is in fact the dominant platform by number of users, and has cool stuff like cloud gaming apps that iOS does not. There are also other aspects of the iPhone that many people prefer over Android phones, e.g. hardware features and quality. The point about sandboxing is relevant because many people conflate sandboxing protections with the protections offered by App Review, and thus are afraid that non-App Store…
Don’t you think that dominance worldwide might be attributed to the fact that you can get an Android phone for $50?
What does this change?
Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee
#197I'd bet $20 that Google (and probably Amazon) has started or will start working on an App Store for iOS. If either of them use their dark patterns to get people to install their app stores then this could be a different situation than what's happening on Android, where very few users actually side load apps. With the weight of one of these giants they could really get massive adoption on iOS in an alternative store.
Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee
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> If there was a load of cool software that Apple was preventing from coming into existence, Android would be the dominant platform by now, because it would have all the cool stuff. A mobile application that can't be shipped on iOS has a much lower total addressable market, which potentially makes it so that it isn't a commercially-viable undertaking for the developer. When I was working in the mobile space, I saw mo…
Perhaps you can name one such great idea.
Porn and Chrome probably
Re: App store bill sails out of Senate Judiciary Committee
#199Great news. Apple has turned the magic of software development from “how cool would this be?” to “how cool would Apple be with this?” That’s an environment of software suppression instead of free innovation, and Apple has felt little pressure to change. For anyone concerned about the security and privacy implications, don’t fall for the misconceptions perpetuated by Apple: non-App Store apps will still be sandboxed (…
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Android is a spyware shitshow and as such is in a different market.
Phones-where-you-are-not-the-product is monopolized by Apple.