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Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Post by tnbp »

hilbert42 wrote: post #190
tnbp wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That type of problem is found throughout chemistry but usually an accepted nomenclature applies (when it doesn't is when we get into troubles). It is not. Nobody who is into chemistry is confused by it, and those who are usually learn something new when they first stumble upon it. >So why did Wiki make the change when I pointed the matter out if it is incorrect? Possibly because most Wikipedians aren't chemists and…

There's no point in me continuing this discussion with a closed mind. No offense intended.

Indeed there isn't. It isn't a discussion either--you asked a question, which I answered, while you continued to argue from ignorance.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Post by jarym »

gattilorenz wrote: post #65
jarym wrote: post #60

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This article is at pains to say ‘it’s safe’. Meh. It is absolutely not definitely established to be safe. Safety aside, I read some research once which indicated artificial sweeteners impact the body’s own insulin response and suppress the feeling of being full. This resonated with me because when I have diet sodas I always feel like eating. Nowadays I stick to water or if I want to treat myself, soda with real sugar…

The article at least presents some actual studies, not anecdotal evidence and hearsay...

Still, fact remains that it has not been established to be safe. Downvote all you like but the fact remains true.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Post by pessimizer »

OJFord wrote: post #107
keiferski wrote: post #96

Off topic, but the headline made me realize that something “tasting off” is sort of an unpaired expression. We don’t say that normal drinks “taste on.” An unpaired word is one that, according to the usual rules of the language, would appear to have a related word but does not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unpaired_word

I'm not suggesting a pairing, but I think expecting that it might be 'on' is perhaps a bit, er, off. To me (BrE), 'gone off' is like 'has developed off-flavours', which is like off-course & on-course but also off-side & near-side.

"On-side" is definitely a thing people say.

"Off" can also mean "away", though. If you "go off", you can "come back."

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Post by chihuahua »

iamricks wrote: post #163
hankchinaski wrote: post #162

slightly unrelated, but i read mixed opinions on the safety of aspartame. Is there anyone knowledgeable in the field who has research proving one way or the other? I rarely consume sodas, I just don't know whether it's safer to consume artificially sweetened ones or standard ones. The literature on the topic seems conflicting and incomplete

It is propaganda, read through this wiki[1] and see how far people have gone to create propaganda against it. It's one of the most researched ingredients by the FDA. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

It seems there are a lot of studies where the author starts with the conviction that Aspartame is "bad", and designs a study to "prove" it. For example, "what if we give these lab rats a massively excessive dose of Aspartame every day for a year, and then check if that harmed them"

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Post by iszomer »

technothrasher wrote: post #120
asiachick wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of people being afraid of MSG, As far as I'm concerned that's racist. The only reason people are afraid of seaweed extract (MSG) is because some racists person made up "Chinese Food Syndrome". People repeating the lie are affectively passing on something based on racist propaganda. It's also the reason much of the asian food in the bay area doesn't taste nearly as delicious as the real deal in asia. Because…

> The only reason people are afraid of seaweed extract (MSG) is because some racists person made up "Chinese Food Syndrome". Not exactly. I agree the term is racist, and that racist sentiment may way spur disinformation on MSG. But the fear actually began in 1968, during the beginnings of the modern 'health food' movement, with a letter written in the New England Journal of Medicine by a man named Robert Ho Man Kwok…

Well, most Chinese restaurants usually dump MSG into their cooking. Back before Panda Express stopped claiming they used it, they would dump more than one teaspoons of it for a single entree on the fly.

MSG should be used as sparingly as possible (a pinch or less) and there are many kinds for specific ingredients, such as the original one made by Ajinomoto and more specialized ones for meats or vegetables only.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Post by alphager »

chihuahua wrote: post #194
iamricks wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is propaganda, read through this wiki[1] and see how far people have gone to create propaganda against it. It's one of the most researched ingredients by the FDA. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspartame_controversy

It seems there are a lot of studies where the author starts with the conviction that Aspartame is "bad", and designs a study to "prove" it. For example, "what if we give these lab rats a massively excessive dose of Aspartame every day for a year, and then check if that harmed them"

Isn't that just normal study design? Formulate a hypothesis (in this case "Aspartame bad"), design a test, find out if hypothesis was correct.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Post by chihuahua »

technothrasher wrote: post #120
asiachick wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking of people being afraid of MSG, As far as I'm concerned that's racist. The only reason people are afraid of seaweed extract (MSG) is because some racists person made up "Chinese Food Syndrome". People repeating the lie are affectively passing on something based on racist propaganda. It's also the reason much of the asian food in the bay area doesn't taste nearly as delicious as the real deal in asia. Because…

> The only reason people are afraid of seaweed extract (MSG) is because some racists person made up "Chinese Food Syndrome". Not exactly. I agree the term is racist, and that racist sentiment may way spur disinformation on MSG. But the fear actually began in 1968, during the beginnings of the modern 'health food' movement, with a letter written in the New England Journal of Medicine by a man named Robert Ho Man Kwok…

According to this article [0], "Robert Ho Man Kwok" was a fake name. The letter was supposedly a hoax but the journal wanted to publish it even though the author contacted them later and told them it was a hoax.

[0] https://news.colgate.edu/magazine/2019/02/06/the-strange-cas...

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Post by frenchy »

theGeatZhopa wrote: post #51

Stop drinking coke! It's not well for you. Especially when you get older. The problem lies within the phosphoric acid added in plenty amounts. It's not exactly only coca cola's problem, but it adds up. Phosphorus is been added everywhere - from Sausages (e.g. the one in hot dogs. Or, The one's intended to be grilled like the GERMAN SAUSAGE) to muffins. I think, it's called sometimes backing soda - the powder you add…

> I think, it's called sometimes backing soda - the powder you add to make cakes or croissants fluffy. Not to compare with the Natrium bicarbonate which is ...

That's a really strong claim, that someone would mix up the label of baking soda (it literally has "soda" in the name, aka sodium aka natrium if you're not English) with phosphoric acid.

As for the rest of this, it's the sort of thing that might have some truth to it, but it should really have data backing it, because human biochemisty is really complex and often acts counter-intuitively.

Re: Why does my diet soda taste off? Aspartame hydrolysis

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Post by oversocialized »

Lol at all these big coke and sugar shills in this thread. Read Sugar Blues and You All Have Sanpaku. Sugar is bad for your body. Sodastream carbonation is bad for teeth and supports Israel's occupation in the west bank. Best play is to ween off it completely. First start with sugar beverages (and alcohol if you drink). Once that is kicked, look at the artificially added sugar in foods.
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