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Re: PG's Rarely Asked Questions

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> I, however, armed with Singer's arguments from Animal Liberation could show that eating meat needs to be justified and that I can't justify it. The amount of philosophy needed is not too significant. One needs to know enough logic to show that inability to find a justification doesn't mean a justification doesn't exist. So if someone is using Singer's arguments from Animal Liberation to persecute meat eaters and yo…

I glossed over some of the subtleties. To show that eating animals needs to be justified requires extending our ethical framework to animals beyond humans. Nobody feels the need to justify eating vegetables, for example, nor have compelling arguments been presented that this is unwarranted. Also: most disciplines require "general skill at persuasion," philosophy being no exception.

Nobody feels the need to justify eating vegetables, for example,

To the contrary, almost every vegetarianism argument on the Internet has comments like "plants are living things which you slaughter for food", and they just get ignored.

I suspect because if you seriously believed killing living things for food is wrong, it would be suicide, so the only conceivable answer is to reason in such a way that it comes out with the answer you want - draw your arbitrary cutoff between important-living-things and not-important-living-things somewhere above plants and bacteria while staying comfortably below humans.

Then let the argument rage as if there was a real substantive difference between drawing the line above cow or below cow, or just diverting it around milk, or only around milk sourced in a particular way.

Re: PG's Rarely Asked Questions

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My attitude is when you hire enough programmers that are better than you the best thing to do is get out of their way and focus on building the best environment for them. Call that role management if it helps.

I find this to be a fairly hostile attitude toward management roles and unfortunately it's one that many people share. And it's ruining part of this industry. Not every manager is a 20-year old MBA grad who's out to ruin your business. What you're describing -- a small team of independent programmers -- accounts for only one part of software engineering projects: programmers are at the center of the efforts, everythi…

I didn't intend it to be a hostile comment/attitude. It's just pragmatic. I can code, I can design and I can architect. That's great when it's me and a few others, but as a business scales up I should be able to recognise when there are better coders than me. If I refuse to get out of the way then I'm just a hindrance. Therefore I should adapt to the new business size and use my experience etc to help those better coders.

Re: PG's Rarely Asked Questions

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I glossed over some of the subtleties. To show that eating animals needs to be justified requires extending our ethical framework to animals beyond humans. Nobody feels the need to justify eating vegetables, for example, nor have compelling arguments been presented that this is unwarranted. Also: most disciplines require "general skill at persuasion," philosophy being no exception.

Nobody feels the need to justify eating vegetables, for example, To the contrary, almost every vegetarianism argument on the Internet has comments like "plants are living things which you slaughter for food", and they just get ignored. I suspect because if you seriously believed killing living things for food is wrong, it would be suicide, so the only conceivable answer is to reason in such a way that it comes out wi…

Anybody using that argument is talking nonsense. There is no evidence that cutting a cabbage causes it pain and suffering.

On the other hand, you can look at the vast similarities between our nervous systems and those of other vertebrates as well as their behavior under pain (squealing and so on) to reasonably conclude that these animals feel pain like we do.

Re: PG's Rarely Asked Questions

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I've meant to compile this list, so you just inspired me. I wish the Durants had had the stamina for one more volume. I don't know much about the European revolutions of 1848 and would have like to read about that time from them. I already had read a lot of ancient Greek literature in translation as well as The Pentateuch , all the historical books of the Old Testament and the Gospels . Western Civilization springs f…

Quick question: Is Origen really the name of Darwin's book, or is it just misspelled? You (mis?)spelled "Origin" the same way everywhere, which makes me wonder... P.S. I'm heartened to see Mises and Hayek on your list. I recommend adding Burke and (especially) Carlyle. If you can fully digest Carlyle, your fear for democracy and republican government will turn to panic, and your journey to the Dark Side will be compl…

According to google image search, it's Origin: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=On+the+Origin+of+Sp...

Re: PG's Rarely Asked Questions

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Nobody feels the need to justify eating vegetables, for example, To the contrary, almost every vegetarianism argument on the Internet has comments like "plants are living things which you slaughter for food", and they just get ignored. I suspect because if you seriously believed killing living things for food is wrong, it would be suicide, so the only conceivable answer is to reason in such a way that it comes out wi…

Anybody using that argument is talking nonsense. There is no evidence that cutting a cabbage causes it pain and suffering. On the other hand, you can look at the vast similarities between our nervous systems and those of other vertebrates as well as their behavior under pain (squealing and so on) to reasonably conclude that these animals feel pain like we do.

There is no evidence that cutting a cabbage causes it pain and suffering.

We don't have as much evidence and the evidence we do have isn't as visceral or widely discussed. That doesn't mean there is no evidence.

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Hmm, I know I'll get downvoted for this, but I don't think he's being uncivil, pg. He made an accusation against you, but he didn't do it in an uncivil manner. Asking him to be civil strikes me as weird, and possibly that you're being too defensive?

The civil version (at least tolerably so) would be the first 17 words. The remaining 10 could be affixed to any criticism of any essay by anyone.

OK, I had to upvote this reply. Would figure. :)

Re: PG's Rarely Asked Questions

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post #167

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I've meant to compile this list, so you just inspired me. I wish the Durants had had the stamina for one more volume. I don't know much about the European revolutions of 1848 and would have like to read about that time from them. I already had read a lot of ancient Greek literature in translation as well as The Pentateuch , all the historical books of the Old Testament and the Gospels . Western Civilization springs f…

Quick question: Is Origen really the name of Darwin's book, or is it just misspelled? You (mis?)spelled "Origin" the same way everywhere, which makes me wonder... P.S. I'm heartened to see Mises and Hayek on your list. I recommend adding Burke and (especially) Carlyle. If you can fully digest Carlyle, your fear for democracy and republican government will turn to panic, and your journey to the Dark Side will be compl…

Misspelled. Caught me.

Re: PG's Rarely Asked Questions

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I've meant to compile this list, so you just inspired me. I wish the Durants had had the stamina for one more volume. I don't know much about the European revolutions of 1848 and would have like to read about that time from them. I already had read a lot of ancient Greek literature in translation as well as The Pentateuch , all the historical books of the Old Testament and the Gospels . Western Civilization springs f…

Did you enjoy Spinoza's Ethics?

At the time I found it somewhat interesting, but it's one of the books that really didn't stick with me. as I progressed reading through the centuries it was more interesting within the developments of its time and immediately succeeding era. Reading the philosophers I have read, it always struck me they encapsulated a certain essence of the era that followed their time. Probably post hoc selection has a lot to do with why they are still remembered. I think PG is right about most philosophy. I haven't read any at all in over a decade.

Re: PG's Rarely Asked Questions

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Anybody using that argument is talking nonsense. There is no evidence that cutting a cabbage causes it pain and suffering. On the other hand, you can look at the vast similarities between our nervous systems and those of other vertebrates as well as their behavior under pain (squealing and so on) to reasonably conclude that these animals feel pain like we do.

There is no evidence that cutting a cabbage causes it pain and suffering. We don't have as much evidence and the evidence we do have isn't as visceral or widely discussed. That doesn't mean there is no evidence.

You're distorting my position anyway. I'm not stating that it is categorically unethical to eat living things, only that any enjoyment we get out of meat over vegetables isn't worth animal suffering. In no way does a weak position that plant suffering is possible make a strong case for animal suffering inadmissable to our eating choices. That's simply absurd.
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