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Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Child death rate is basically 0

Cool. Can you say the same for my elderly relatives that would like to spend time around our child? I’m not as worried about the child as I’m worried about him spreading it to someone who won’t be spared.

Vaccines wont give you imminity for spreading virus. Inform yourself, please.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Have you considered that you may have had more mild Omicron due to being vaccinated? It is true that breakthrough infections exist, especially in something as transmissable as Omicron. However, the point has also been made that being vaccinated helps prevent more serious illness[1] which in turn can help prevent hospitals from collapsing under the weight of the severely ill. [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-…

This is called moving goalposts. The vaccines application states it will prevent transmissions, not lesson the symptoms. If it is simply "lessoning" the symptoms which has not been my experience with Omicron, but not preventing transmission then the authorizations should be pulled until they can be resubmitted.

> If it is simply "lessoning" the symptoms which has not been my experience with Omicron, but not preventing transmission then the authorizations should be pulled until they can be resubmitted.

Are organizations still making policy decisions based on the specifics of the original application implications? Or from observation that it only notably reduces hospitalizations / symptom severity?

If the former is the case, that would warrant clarity, but I also have no idea what a resubmission process looks like. Is that a one week turnaround? Or is it six months with no vaccines being able to be distributed?

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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To anyone confused about these reopenings, particularly in the US, it's actually pretty easy to understand: 1. Governments have decided that by now if you're not vaccinated it's by choice (which it is, barring actual medical conditions) it's by choice and the governments (as well as many people) have stopped caring; 2. The CDC's recent self-isolation has shown that given (1), the government cares more about keeping t…

Citation? 95% is hard to argue against if true!

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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We may get close to normal, but a horrifying precedent has been set. I hope for thorough consideration of the totality of the evidence by voters and some careful thought regarding the last two years.

Most of us have been giving it careful thought all along. Something about your phrasing suggests to me that your views are outside the mainstream? (In which direction I don't know because you seem cagey about actually stating your view)

The point is to encourage thought in the general population.

The moderation here is less than encouraging.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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> It's also many times less pathogenic than Delta This is a misleading way to say your risk of hospitalization is about half of what it was with Delta. Vaccination is making it safer to get closer back to normal — which is why Ireland can consider it with their much higher rate of over 92% versus the U.S. 63% — but we still need to be thinking about masks and improved ventilation when it’s spreading, especially since…

Why on earth would you vaccinate kids? It’s not going to do anything to the spread of the virus, as the grand parent post mentioned it is extremely infectious and neither masks or the vaccines have been shown to make anything else than a dent in the levels of infections. They aren’t at risk of the virus either. The energy would be better spent convincing the few >60yo who haven’t been vaccinated to get the shot. But…

That's correct. At some point we need to look at the real data of deaths. https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/ In Europe, there has NEVER been A PANDEMIC for people All care should have focused on the elderly (early treatment, access to doctors even when positive...). No restrictions (mask, mandatory vaccine, lockdowns..) makes sense for those aged under 45yo.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Child death rate is basically 0

Cool. Can you say the same for my elderly relatives that would like to spend time around our child? I’m not as worried about the child as I’m worried about him spreading it to someone who won’t be spared.

Even if you vaccinate your kid he will still get it and spread it. I don't understand why this fact is just ignored by people. The vaccine is not sterilizing, it does not stop transmission, only lessens disease severity. The chain of transmissions will only be broken by natural immunity unfortunately.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Many (I suspect most but I only follow a few) epidemiologists are saying there's no stopping Omicron. It's more contagious than measles - if you're in a room with somebody who has it, you're exposed barring a properly fitted N95 mask. All of us will be exposed by mid February. It's also many times less pathogenic than Delta, and it's a gift that nothing at present can outcompete it. I believe it's the version that wi…

> Preaching "floods don't exist!" to the exhausted people who are watching the river subside after slinging sandbags for three days. Alternatively, many who were caught in the flood washed up safely on the shores, returned back to town to see people ripping down their houses to build barriers against the flood that they thought was the end of the world.

Because many people they knew didn't wash safely back on the shores.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Some people just have black-white thinking. See also "vaccines are not working" and lots of other nonsense.

I feel like I really started to have more empathy and better understand the world the moment in my life where I realized that black and white don't actually exist, they're unattainable ideals. It's all just shades of gray. It's so rare to find things like math where the answer is either right or wrong.

It really depends on the subject. 1+1=2 according to the rules of arithmetic.

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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I had to deal with a family member not being able to get a place in the hospital this week, even though they would have otherwise(covid unrelated) - taking care of them at home is nearly impossible. No one cares until it affects them.

>No one cares until it affects them. While many don't care until it affects them, that is not even close to universally true. I was surprised at the number of people who didn't care, and it seems to be about 50%, but characterizing everyone that way is incredibly unfair to all the people who worked tirelessly to try to convince people to get the vaccine.

By telling them the president has lost his patience like a grumpy pater familias scolding children. That’s paternalism right there.

If the self righteous cared about peoples lives instead of pushing people with relatively lower risk to get a vaccine they would have sent those vaccines to the third world to vaccinate the vulnerable there.

Instead the WHO complained in early 2021 that we gave our vulnerable a double dose

In the summer of 2021 WHO complained when we vaccinating our healthy young

In the fall of 2021, the WHO was shocked when we rolled out boosters

By now, the WHO has given up complaining about booster boosters. Instead its become evident that the people working relentlessly to vaccinate everyone are driven by fear of, not concern for, their neighbor

Re: Ireland drops most Covid restrictions in wake of 'Omicron storm'

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Many (I suspect most but I only follow a few) epidemiologists are saying there's no stopping Omicron. It's more contagious than measles - if you're in a room with somebody who has it, you're exposed barring a properly fitted N95 mask. All of us will be exposed by mid February. It's also many times less pathogenic than Delta, and it's a gift that nothing at present can outcompete it. I believe it's the version that wi…

> Preaching "floods don't exist!" to the exhausted people who are watching the river subside after slinging sandbags for three days. Alternatively, many who were caught in the flood washed up safely on the shores, returned back to town to see people ripping down their houses to build barriers against the flood that they thought was the end of the world.

The ICUs are full. Millions have died. Millions more have long covid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

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