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Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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This hacks is impressive, but very pointless. A regular treadmill plus an iPad is a much better combo and it goes for $1k less total.

I'd be interested in knowing where to order a 32 inch ipad for $1000.

You can buy them for much less than that. They're known as 'televisions' and you can get even bigger ones than 32 inch for under $500!

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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This type of 'update' is one reason I tend to stay away from so-called 'smart' devices. If part of the product I've paid for is software, and the company can update it without customer consent at any time, then I can't rely on the product's features. Period. I experienced this myself on the PS4 version of Terraria. I bought a hard-copy of the game. I mastered the controls, and loved them. Terraria was updated one day…

It’s not that i dont agree but the Terraria example is a bit unfair. First this is issue of the platform. On other platforms you can choose version of the game. And second Terraria is example of probably one of the most supported games. The update you are talking about brings massive amount of content and updates completely for free 9 years!!! after release. Most companies would milk the product with third sequel and…

No it’s totally fair. They ruined the game by completely changing the controls irreversibly and making it unplayable on mobile.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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I agree. Perhaps the U.S.'s legal framework reasonably allows this kind of behavior, but IMHO it's a sign that the framework needs legislative correction. The first time I encountered this was when Sony advertised Linux-compatibility for the PS3, which I bought expressly for that purpose. I was shocked when a judge upheld Sony's post-sale removal of that capability.

Government should mandate the ability to downgrade the software to versions that were previously available on said hardware. I’ve had so many issues with Apple devices losing compatibility with obscure features on apps after updating iOS, I wish I could go back occasionally to accomplish some task, and then upgrade again when finished. The flexibility is valuable. For example, on the newest iPad Pro, iMovie is unusab…

Definitely.

TV updates are another thing. They change things with abandon and you can't revoke the updates.

Sometimes they break stuff and then you have to pray and wait until they hopefully fix them at their leisure.

IMO, it should be illegal to issue unrevokable updates so you can't get a product to have identical features as it did at the time of purchase. You should always be able to wipe it back to stock. Same with phones.

And the people who might crow about "security" - my device, my rules. I can block it on the network if I want.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

#195

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The remedy for that will be requiring a network handshake to occur on boot.

The remedy for that is to emulate the server The remedy for that is to encrypt the communication The remedy for that is to MITM the server connection The remedy for that is HSTS... It's a cat a mouse game, the better solution for society (imo) is to have specific rights enshrined by law to allow for a qualified 3rd parties to access a system's internals.

The one advantage of playing the cat-and-mouse game is that the longer it goes on, the more complexity ends up being in the firmware (TLS, HPKP, etc as you already listed), which increases the likelihood of a bug that can be exploited to take over it.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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> I tend to stay away from so-called 'smart' devices I tried several alternatives in terms of smart TV (Apple TV, Google/Android TV, Fire TV), and I could not find any platform that let me use all of the apps that I needed without resorting to casting from my phone. And in some cases there was a long process to follow in order to get the device to do what I needed[1], which involved activating developer mode, sideloa…

> without resorting to casting from my phone I am curious, why is that undesirable for you? I'm assuming there's something more than lack of individual app support for casting.

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Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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Why don’t the customers use a tablet resting on the treadmill or wall-mounted TV to watch whatever they want?

Tablets can bounce around on a treadmill if you really get going, and 10" is not 32". And you think customers are going to wall-mount a TV in the garage where a lot of treadmills live, rather than just buy a built-in screen? I mean, yeah, that's exactly what I did, but not everyone (not but a few?) are even that handy. And on top of everything else, customers thought that they could watch whatever they wanted on thei…

It’s called military surplus Velcro. You get a second rubber case for the tablet that you apply Velcro to the back of then apply the other side to the treadmill in an area where it makes full contact. I have seen videos of people in Velcro suits jump and stick to walls so I’m sure it would work with a tablet.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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post #57

This type of 'update' is one reason I tend to stay away from so-called 'smart' devices. If part of the product I've paid for is software, and the company can update it without customer consent at any time, then I can't rely on the product's features. Period. I experienced this myself on the PS4 version of Terraria. I bought a hard-copy of the game. I mastered the controls, and loved them. Terraria was updated one day…

It’s not that i dont agree but the Terraria example is a bit unfair. First this is issue of the platform. On other platforms you can choose version of the game. And second Terraria is example of probably one of the most supported games. The update you are talking about brings massive amount of content and updates completely for free 9 years!!! after release. Most companies would milk the product with third sequel and…

I'm not trying to pick on Terraria, but I think it's a great example for the reasons you are bringing up.

Even with the 'value add' of the update, I no longer play the game. Why? Because I invested in learning and mastering the game as it was when I bought it. The forced update removed all value for me, and I'm the one who made the decision to buy it.

If the product is changed significantly after purchase without my consent, then I feel I should be able to revisit my decision to purchase it. Otherwise, it's a sort of bait-and-switch scheme.

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

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This pattern is pervasive. I also dislike needing an app and an internet connection for the most basic functionality with some purchased device. At some point, we need to own the things we buy and that line keeps getting pushed back further and further. Anec-data: I purchased a cooking device for my parents in December and it has a single button to turn it off. The only way to use it is with an app which requires a l…

I'm assuming you are talking about a sous vide device. This is one of the few (unrooted) smart devices I actually appreciate. You can easily configure it for a specific task (steak? chicken? brussels?), get push notifications when it's done and even turn off it's warm setting remotely if needed. And given that most of the thing is immersed in boiling hot water, it makes sense to not put controls on the device itself.

I recently got an Anova -- with touch controls, and it works great both with and without the app. The top is a big bigger to handle the screen and touch controls.

Making an immersion circulator app-only is likely a BOM-reducing measure, which is fine (given that active time is probably at most a few minutes like twice a day). And you can get smaller form factors too with app-only control (e.g. Ember Mug).

Re: Locked out of 'God Mode', runners are hacking their treadmills

#200

I don't understand this obsession with electronic exercise devices. The peloton, that stupid thing that mounts to the wall, treadmills etc. Outside is so much better than all of those. I will 100% run in single digit temperatures with snow on the ground before I touch a treadmill. If I have to be inside it's weight lifting.

The most obvious thing is having a good environment. If you are doing serious HIITs, you either need to be at a track or on a training device, unless you feel like playing in traffic. Fitness equipment is not the goal, fitness is, and equipment is a good way to get there.
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