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Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by CRConrad »

Karunamon wrote: post #89
teakettle42 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It isn't spam because you don't want it. It isn’t not spam because you want to send it. You’re departing substantially from both the historical and commonly understood, contemporary definition of spam.

I see little historical precedent or common understanding for the HN definition of 'email I'd rather not have in my inbox' equating to 'spam'.

> I see little historical precedent or common understanding for the HN definition of 'email I'd rather not have in my inbox' equating to 'spam'.

Man, oh, man, you're funny. Even more so as it is apparently unintentional and you're being totally serious.

To the rest of the world, i.e. everyone who isn't a spammer, 'email I'd rather not have in my inbox' is and has always been the exact definition of 'spam'.

HTH!

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by floatingatoll »

ajnin wrote: post #107

This project seems to work under the pretense of fighting the spammers. Maybe it actually does. But it also deprives people of their right to not be tracked constantly, to remain anonymous. A world with no crime is a world without individual freedoms. The way this is so casually and openly discussed here is slightly terrifying.

A world with no accountability is a world without individual safety.

One’s individual right to remain anonymous does not necessarily take precedence over the societal right to hold one accountable. The pendulum of that tension swung all the way to fully anonymous over the past decades, and we now have the most unsafe Internet that has ever existed.

It will, guaranteed, swing back from full anonymity, as already began with many things one could previously access anonymously (such as email verification only) online or in person: Cellular service (ID required), FedEx shipping (ID required), many Discord chats (verified phone number required to defend against sock puppet attacks), and LinkedIn name changes (birth certificate and photo ID required). Whether it swings back to “no right to pseudonyms” or instead cones to rest on lesser outcomes such as “identity protected by law” and “a warrant is required” is up to politicians to decide.

Politicians do not accept and consider anonymous letters, so adhering to the outgoing belief in perfect anonymity may severely construct your ability to influence the outcome of the pendulum’s backswing away from it. I hope that when you write your politicians about this issue, you are doing so in handwriting from your registered voter name and address, so that they are considering your input at all.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by lethologica »

rubyfan wrote: post #178
AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #10

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

I recently found a burner phone number relay service for this reason. Anyone that wants your personal info is almost always user hostile.

Could you please share the name of this services I’ve been looking for something similar.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by hadcomplained »

smoldesu wrote: post #128
mdasen wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Apple's "Hide My Email" uses the same `icloud.com` domain as the rest of their email addresses (unless you're using the "Sign-in with Apple" feature which uses `privaterelay.appleid.com`). Blocking `privaterelay.appleid.com` would be kinda pointless since you'd be breaking your "Sign-in with Apple" feature, but if you don't support that feature you could block it (theoretically, one could create a login for SiteA…

Genuinely curious, does anyone actually use an "@icloud.com" address to sign up for anything? I was under the impression that iCloud emails were only used as a FQDN for internal Apple services, but it's been ages since I've had an iCloud account.

I registered several important accounts with @icloud.com email, because I was sure that I would never switch to Android besides the fact that the email looked cool (what a stupid reason in retrospect).

I deeply regret using the @icloud.com address for anything serious, because you would be unable to receive or send emails as soon as your iCloud storage subscription expires, provided that you use a larger quantity of data than is allowed in the free-tier iCloud. This is what actually happened to me a few weeks ago. I forgot updating my credit card number on the Apple account, thereby making it impossible to renew the iCloud storage subscription, resulting in the inbox full of emails "Your iCloud storage is full" -- these are what replaced the emails that have been sent to the @icloud.com address after the subscription expired. In addition, I did not receive these emails even after I renewed the subscription. To this day I do not know what these emails were about.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by adhesive_wombat »

Karunamon wrote: post #148
Nextgrid wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious - I see on your profile that you're a DevOps engineer presumably using a lot of online services on a daily basis, so what approach do you use to deal with email that would justify your opinion here? Do you just let it fill up your inbox and essentially make it unusable as it's saturated with marketing spam? Do you read every single incoming email (if so how do you find time and how do you justify spending…

> so what approach do you use to deal with email that would justify your opinion here? When I get email I don't want from a company I have an account with, I scroll to the bottom and click 'unsubscribe'. I then don't get anymore of those kinds of emails. What I absolutely do not do is throw a hissy fit and click 'report spam' (which not fucks up my own bayes classifiers and makes false positives more likely, but send…

If people dislike receiving that email so much that they report it as spam, it's spam.

Maybe if enough scummy companies have to mess about getting de-blacklisted, they might reevaluate whether their emails serve their customers, themselves, or, more likely, neither the company nor the customer but rather someone in between who is using some artificial metric (maybe "clients reached", "tracking pixels delivered", whatever) to angle for a pay rise.

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by profmonocle »

ravenstine wrote: post #106
AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #10

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

Yup. Sign up for a trial of something and suddenly you're getting 3 emails a day. --- "Ravenstine, kick your goals into overdrive now" "Check this feature out!" "We're the best, but don't take our word for it" "Your account is waiting for you" "This will be like money in your pocket" "Don't miss out on our webinar" "The gift that keeps on giving" "It's been a while..." "So this is goodbye, Ravenstine?" --- F--- YOU!…

I've just started marking these as spam. Not worth my time to go through their unsubscribe flow so they can try to trick me into not actually unsubscribing

Re: Mozilla's Firefox Relay to be added to disposable-email-domains blacklist

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Post by franga2000 »

createmyaccount wrote: post #22
AequitasOmnibus wrote: post #10

The reason disposable email addresses exist and are popular is because services have abused users' trust to not use these emails for shady ad revenue and marketing schemes. It's further compounded by shoddy security that leads to leaks and exposure of people's personal email addresses to pwned compromised lists. People don't want to give up their personal email addresses so that they can be spammed or hacked. Until s…

I’m the founder of a small bootstrapped SAAS and people use disposable email addresses all the time to avoid paying for our product. We don’t sell any data.

If making a new email address is all it takes to get free stuff then your trial model is broken. If your service stores data, a time-limited trial with no export option is usually enough. If it's more or less stateless, then you need to limit other things as well. Would you be willing to share what the SAAS is? Outside of content providers (streaming, etc.) I've never really seen any reason to abuse trials.

Besides, the whole idea of a "disposable email blacklist" is ridiculous. Are you going to block Gmail? Gmail addresses take like 1 minute to make. If not, you've already lost the battle, so do us all a favor and stop this blacklist nonsense.

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