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Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by katbyte »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #145
TheChaplain wrote: post #96

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Just want to say that the time you spend reporting bugs on Linux environments is not in vain but much appreciated. I try to give back to the community and spend time fixing issues people have for the Linux desktops MATE and XFCE, at least a few times a year.

Really? FOSS software very often has the same problems in this regard that Microsoft does. Almost every time I have an issue with something I will find it already in their bug tracker, several years old, at best ignored and at worst closed by the stale bot. In my estimation it is roughly the same as it is with Microsoft: if it doesn't directly affect a developer's workflow it will not be fixed and they're annoyed you…

You can’t paint all projects with the same brush as how they are run can vary widely from one to another.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by rstat1 »

meowkit wrote: post #177
alexvoda wrote: post #28

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The UI changes are very disruptive to other people. As an example, think all the people who for decades placed the taskbar on the side. Also, the bullshit minimum requirements are obviously about pushing DRM.

Minimum requirements were about pushing TPM (massive boost to chain of trust and security based on internal metrics) and hardware sales. Source: I’m an insider.

The minimum requirements were/are about pushing new HW sales and nothing else.

A large portion of devices that were arbitrarily blocked, had no issues running the previews even with all the new security stuff. And on top of that none of the supposedly "new" security stuff is actually new. Its all been in Windows 10 for a while.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by rishav_sharan »

phillipcarter wrote: post #150
cjbgkagh wrote: post #102

Former MSFTy, don’t bother wasting your time giving feedback. Nobody cares, those that cared left. Microsoft has a weird culture, very top down, very passive aggressive between departments. For a brief while I would diligently prepare bugs for the dog food software. I would even walk over to visit people responsible for it and chat about it. Even for software where ‘zero bugs’ was important they’d just delete a whole…

> Former MSFTy, don’t bother wasting your time giving feedback. Nobody cares, those that cared left. What you're describing does not comport with my experience there. Personally, I ensured that every issue filed on GitHub was triaged (read, replied if necessary, de-duped if necessary, labeled appropriately, assigned a severity/priority) and that all feedback items from the Visual Studio feedback system that applied t…

This is my experience as well. I am a PM in Edge team and we take user feedback in our app extremely seriously. There are entire teams which parse the user feedback and add bugs for them. All top feedback is expected to be fixed under a specific SLA and these metrics are often tracked at leadership level.

In fact, for a lot of feature teams fixing the top user feedback issues is often part of their OKRs.

So yeah, I don't know if there are groups in MS which really don't consider their users' feedback, but from what I know that isn't the common behavior.

MS has its faults - every megacorp will have its own share of warts, but this specific one, i am not sure I can believe.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by teddyh »

nitrogen wrote: post #175
TheChaplain wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just want to say that the time you spend reporting bugs on Linux environments is not in vain but much appreciated. I try to give back to the community and spend time fixing issues people have for the Linux desktops MATE and XFCE, at least a few times a year.

Are there any Linux desktops that don't require you to sign up for an account to submit a crash report, and keep crash report details private until triage? That has kept me from reporting reproducible bugs in KDE apps before.

Tip: Use your distribution’s bug reporting system, not the upstream’s. For example, in Debian, simply run the “reportbug” command. It is then the maintainer’s job to, if appropriate, forward the bug upstream.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by cjbgkagh »

_8j50 wrote: post #187
cjbgkagh wrote: post #185

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They need large amounts of exponential growth, it’s baked into their current value which they need to justify their investments. Microsoft has reoriented itself around Azure and if Azure was merely just profitable Microsoft would have to jettison a lot of what they do. Without another money printer it would be a blood bath. I think that like Auditing companies there might be a bit of a rotation, or risk spreading amo…

My point was Azure can't compete with aws on small/medium size orgs but for large corps who can afford E5 and more it has tremenduous value. Existing windows IT likes azure better. Their main income as a company is still licenses and support which extends to Azure.

Their prices are targeted towards large corps, I think that by leaving room at the small/medium orgs you're allowing competition to improve to a point where they will go after your large corp customers as well. It also becomes difficult to lower prices because you'd lose more from your existing customers than you'd gain from new customers, so you kind of get stuck at a high price point and slowly bleed out customers who are on the margins. You can make lots of the money in the process and doing this could be a perfectly legitimate strategy. The value adds may be enough to prevent this. I don't know. My datapoint was that it seemed that initial purchases were based on vast overestimates of provisioning and renewals tend to come with significant reductions. This is something that can stay hidden during a period of high grown where there is a lot of onboarding but I would expect to show up in the numbers quite quickly if growth slows with a ~3 year lag.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by teddyh »

cjbgkagh wrote: post #102

Former MSFTy, don’t bother wasting your time giving feedback. Nobody cares, those that cared left. Microsoft has a weird culture, very top down, very passive aggressive between departments. For a brief while I would diligently prepare bugs for the dog food software. I would even walk over to visit people responsible for it and chat about it. Even for software where ‘zero bugs’ was important they’d just delete a whole…

> Microsoft has a weird culture, […] very passive aggressive between departments.

https://bonkersworld.net/organizational-charts

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by stragies »

Arisaka1 wrote: post #62
gandalfgreybeer wrote: post #47

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Whenever a game I play is released on the Nintendo Switch, I am a little bit happier (eg Diablo 3, Tetris Effect). There’s honestly nothing keeping me in Windows except for video games (which I have less and less time for each year). I’m sort of looking forward to the day I won’t need to play video games on Windows and just be happy with a MacBook and a Linux workstation.

I'm the same. My drive doesn't have enough space so I'm stuck using WSL2 for React/Node development, and I'm waiting for an unreleased game to see how it will perform on Linux before I make my permanent switch. Every other game I play is on Steam and have decent Proton support, or is a retro game where I can use Retroarch and PCSX2 natively.

You could install a debian bullseye into the NTFS filesystem alongside with windows, and use the NTFS FS as your root filesystem. That has been possible for a while, but had performance caveats due to the use of fuse-ntfs. There are a some guides on the interwebs. Since Linux 5.15 there is the new ntfs3 driver in the kernel, that has much better performance. 5.15 is easily installable from the testing repo into a normal bullseye.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by b112 »

tremon wrote: post #170
b112 wrote: post #73

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To me, TDE ... a fork of KDE2, is even more so this. A very active community, too, and so far, no real change. I don't want change, managing my windows, my open programs, is a decades old solved problem. I don't want the new sexy, the flashy this and that. I don't want new styles, changing methods to interact. My Window Manager is not something I want to notice, or spent 10 seconds on.. for the next 20 years. It need…

Trinity is a fork of KDE3.

Hmm. So it is.

Thanks

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by headmelted »

nitrogen wrote: post #183
headmelted wrote: post #132

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I don’t think conflating inclusivity and/or diversity action with specific product issues is helpful or comes off well here.

A team that ignores product quality will soon run out of money to spend on solving social etc. issues. Effort follows attention, so attention should be weighted appropriately across issues, but it's not uncommon for companies and causes to over-index on just a few issues and sacrifice other aspects of team dynamics and product quality as a result.

You might as well say that the team that enjoys a beer and meets up to watch the game on a Sunday is ignoring product quality.

You’ve no basis to point to social causes or anything else and say “something is causing a stink round here and it’s that!”.

Software is built by people. People have viewpoints. There will inevitably be overlap in those viewpoints. There’s no reason to think any of this has anything to do with the thread.

Re: Shenanigans on Microsoft Feedback Hub

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Post by beart »

sundvor wrote: post #57

The Feedback hub... A few things are completely a dog's breakfast in the Windows 10 world - and their beyond hideous XBox with Windows App Store is one of them. I tried to file some feedback about the experience using the Hub but it felt like a wholly inappropriate tool for the job. How do you tell someone they just need to delete everything they've done and start afresh? Because that's the only thing that could fix…

Agreed. I've run into more issues trying to get Minecraft running due to the disaster that is the windows store and related services. if you look at the gaming service, it's nothing but 1 star reviews with similar issues. I'm a technician person and I have no idea how non technical people manage to use Windows today.
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