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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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You are very much wrong:

"Our rating: False

Based on our research, we rate FALSE the claim that the CDC withdrew the use of its PCR test and admitted it can't distinguish between the flu and COVID-19. The CDC is withdrawing the test, but it has nothing to do with the flu. The agency-created PCR test simply isn't needed because hundreds of tests from private companies have addressed this need and been approved by the FDA. The CDC test properly showed positive results only for COVID-19; a person with the flu could not test positive for COVID-19 using the CDC test, experts say."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/30/fac...

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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> provided by the Australian Open tournament They're not the Australian federal government though, so it's moot.

Whose fault is it if the tournament didn't put a process together that worked properly with the government? The people who used the process or the organization that created it?

> Whose fault is it if the tournament didn't put a process together that worked properly with the government?

Djokovic may have a claim against the Australian Open for wasting time and causing inconvenience.

That doesn't mean Canberra must grant him a visa. And it is in no way an excuse for submitting falsified documents (if he did that, which is far from proven) to Canberra and her courts.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

#194

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The timestamp is likely when the entry was opened in the system. Not when the test was made. Normally that's the same. But it's not enforced, as for example a test center which lost it's internet connection temporary is still allowed to add tests once the connection is back up. So we don't know for sure that the test is manipulated. We only know for sure that it was placed later in the system, not that it was made la…

I think this is a pretty big stretch. What does it mean for the "entry to be open in the system"? You think it is more likely the test center lost its internet connection for multiple days than that Djokovic lied?

> You think it is more likely the test center lost its internet connection for multiple days than that Djokovic lied?

No never wrote anything like that.

I just wrote that the date in the system is from when the information was put in the system, and that there are reasons why it is allowed to put information into a system about an older test.

I didn't say that I think it's likely that it had been the case in this case.

The internet connection is just an random example(1). Someone more involved with the process could probably list many other reasons such a thing can happen.

It just means that it's just an hint that something unusual happened but not at all a prove that the test was made later.

It even less means that anyone from the operators of the system recording the tests was involved, it's enough for a single laboratory which can evaluate tests to enter a fake result, there are probably tens or even hundreds of such laboratories in most EU countries.

There are even chances that the manipulation was quite different then what it seems to be, like the positive test has been made at that point in time, but it was intentionally hold back from being put into the system, because the person wanted to be able to lie about not having had covid. Now hat is clearly a unlikely thing. But possible.

Anyway the point is that "datum of recording" != "datum of test" is on itself not _that_ unusual in general. But if it happens in this specific context with another test being made shortly after before the first tests result was put into the system etc. it is _very_ suspicious.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Feel the same – even if this test investigation is true (looks true) he can plead ignorance of course by saying he doesn't know how that system works. In effect, if his team + Serbian gov't manipulated the tests, I'm not sure what the recourse is, except for the Australian gov't to sue the Serbian gov't?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse (in most/all jurisdictions). Australia's recourse would be to deny him entry.

If he committed fraud, they could arrest him and charge him criminally.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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We need someone from Serbia who has done this test to verify.

Meanwhile let's all accuse him of being a dirty cheat no matter how implausible such a potentially ruinous fraud on its inevitable discovery. After all the man is guilty of covid wrongthink, so who knows what depths he'd sink to.

The timeline doesn't look good for him regardless of which theory is correct: https://www.bbc.com/news/59939122

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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> not like he tried to cheat the tournament or Australia with this If the evidence presented here holds, Djokovic submitted falsified documents to the Australian government and courts. That's potentially visa fraud, perjury and a bunch of things that would put an ordinary person behind bars for years.

I don't think I was clear enough. By going for an exception he wasn't trying to cheat the tournament or government. If he tried to cheat while in the process that's a different matter. > Djokovic submitted falsified documents If the dates are real from the records everyone has found then he would, in theory, still qualify. So, why change the dates? Djokovic has people who do all this stuff for him. I wonder if someth…

> If the dates are real from the records everyone has found then he would, in theory, still qualify

Djokovic pursued an exemption on the basis of recovery. That requires a positive test followed by a negative one. If the allegations here hold, he tested negative and then positive. That wouldn't be proof of recovery, but of infection.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Unfortunately the Serbian registry doesn't provide a timestamp for when each test was taken. But our intrepid OSINT researcher discovered that the data in the QR code begins with a UNIX timestamp, such as cqcode=1640187792... and cqcode=1640524880... From that one might infer that the positive test actually happened 4 days after the negative test. The documents Djokovic provided to the court claim the positive test h…

Is there any reason to assume this timestamp represents the time the test was taken, rather than, say, the time the certificate was generated?

Judging by my vaccine confirmation (same system), it's when the certificate was created. In my case the timestamp points to a day after I've received my dose.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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"Absolutely wrong. Timestamp is the time of pdf download. Everytime you repeat the process timestamp will change. Difference in confirmation code is because he used 2 different state labs on 16th and 22nd. Very poor analysis, I have to conclude."[1] "You need to understand that these papers are not fakes. Both tests, database records as well as pdf certificates are 100% legit. He and his family have enough influence…

I believe the “confirmation code” that’s higher for 16th than the 22nd test is still suspicious though.

16th: 7371999-259039

22nd: 7320919-259039

Does anyone have an explanation of how that code works. Could it have been related to a manufacturing batch of tests that’s been used out of order?

Those of you here with test results how does that code relate to your testing date?

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