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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by tdrdt »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #170
tdrdt wrote: post #144

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Let's talk about eating unhealthy and heart diseases.

Earnestly, yes let’s talk about unhealthy eating and heart disease! Let’s talk about the food system, food education, food availability, pricing, and governmental subsidies. Let’s talk about the socioeconomic factors behind unhealthy lifestyles. Let’s talk about heart disease! Let’s talk about racial and sex disparities in heart disease. Let’s talk about class disparities in heart disease. Let’s talk about why these…

Especially because people who are overweight have a 70% more chance to get very ill from covid.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

NoblePublius wrote: post #46
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #18

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My understanding is that the vaccines aren’t completely effective at stopping you catching/spreading, but they are a whole lot better than being immune naive altogether. Casual googling has given me some Washington state pdf data that says even in the most robust cohort (13-29 year olds) unvaccinated folks get Covid at 3x the rate of unvaccinated and the differences only get more dramatic from there. If you have more…

There’s an Antarctic research station of entirely triple vaxxed people that is on complete lockdown now because most of them have Covid. I know 22 people who have gotten positive tests in the last two weeks, all vaccinated. Sports leagues practically 100% vaccinated and dozens and dozens and dozens of players out for Covid. I do not believe for one second any public health data today claiming only 1/5 new cases are v…

“i’ve heard of ~100 cases therefore statistical data feels irrelevant”

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Post by kolanos »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #27
calebm wrote: post #12

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you seem to be ignoring the fact that we’ve ended up with 2 variants that are more contagious… with the purpose of implying vaccines are to blame? complete nonsense

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-pr...

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Post by [deleted] »

Ardon wrote: post #6
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

If a seatbelt doest stop you from dying in 100% of car crashes, I don't understand why they're mandatory?

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Post by ekianjo »

hannob wrote: post #43
b3nji wrote: post #2

I don't understand, if the vaccines work then why the issue? However the vaccines don't stop you catching or spreading the virus, so why is this banning of the unvaccinated a thing? Very odd.

Your problem seems to be that you don't understand the concept of probabilities. Something can work 80-90% of the time, but not 100%.

The first ones that dont understand probabilities are politicians with their binary responses.

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Post by bserge »

kstenerud wrote: post #50

To clarify for non-Canadians: EI benefits are generally only given if you lose your employment through no fault of your own (didn't quit or get fired). What this policy does is clarify that losing work hours or your job due to vaccine refusal after a workplace vaccination mandate (outside of medical exemptions) does NOT count as "through no fault of your own", and instructs employers to indicate as such. So: For the…

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Post by dahart »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #54

And should people who crash in cars without wearing their seatbelt not get any government benefits from their injuries?

Personally, I don’t think so, but I do think it’s worth asking the question and exploring the space a little bit. There is a certain hypocrisy to refusing to accept safety measures from the government while expecting emergency treatment from the same people when not abiding by the safety measures causes predictable and avoidable harm.

There are cases where people are injured while accidentally not having a seatbelt on, and there are cases where people dogmatically refuse to wear seatbelts and refuse to accept the safety statistics. Maybe it makes sense to differentiate between those kinds of cases somehow? Maybe people who consciously choose to refuse safety measures should still be treated but should be prioritized lower than people who are accepting safety measures?

One of the problems with people who refuse to accept safety policies is they make emergency treatment more expensive for everyone, and they reduce the probability that someone who’s been safe can get emergency treatment in a timely manner. Part of the question is why it’s fair for people who’ve accepted the safety measures to have a non-zero chance not being able to get emergency treatment because someone who refused to be safe got hurt and is already in the only ER/bed left in the hospital.

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Post by leeoniya »

bmeski wrote: post #140
leeoniya wrote: post #101

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i've always wondered how anti-vaxxers would feel about sending their children to schools exclusively for anti-vaxxers. is this something they would feel no hesitation in doing, or do they actually appreciate that their unvaccinated kids are surrounded by others' vaccinated kids? and also does there exist a sufficient amount of medical professionals to agree to service an all-anti-vaxxer school without complaint?

Within my family, they weigh the risks of what they believe the side-effects are and the disease. They all live in very remote areas with few people so the risk is low to begin with. They aren't entirely "unintelligent", and I respect their decisions.

the problem is

1. infectious disease that can kill others. it's great that they are remote, but they still interact with others sometimes. no one requires them to wear warning signs. as numerous others have pointed out, it's like drunk driving. drinking while driving is not just personal choice, even if it seems like just you minding your own alcohol.

1a. even if the disease itself is not sufficient to kill people but causes them to seek medical attention, beyond the capacity of the healthcare system, this means worse outcomes for those who could not have avoided ending up in the hospital.

2. ask what doctors think about treating them when they get polio or things we havent seen in many generations.

even intelligent people are terrible at assessing risk in areas where they are not professionals. see how many doctors are antivaxxers, how many security professionals click on https://chase.myaccount.com links, etc.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

Does vaccination still offer a public health benefit?

To be clear vaccination is good, people should be vaccinated, I have been vaccinated three times, etc, etc but does vaccination still offer a public health benefit vs just being a good idea for your own personal health?

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