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Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

tomjen3 wrote: post #166
TomSwirly wrote: post #123

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A group of people publicly proclaimed that the election was fake. They announced they were going to advance on Congress and Stop The Steal. They showed up in the thousands with weapons and restraining devices, broke into the Capitol building, broke a lot of things, literally wiped their shit on the walls, and were finally repulsed. Sounds like an "INSURRECTION" to me. What part is missing? Do you only count it as an…

I can't answer for anyone else, but I my book that was a riot. An incoherent mob damaging and stealing stuff does not make for an insurrection, even if they are stealing stuff like the speakers podium.

My thoughts exactly! I totally think the rioters should be punished but it seems wrong to call it an Insurrection.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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brightball wrote: post #140
a4isms wrote: post #100

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TL;DR: “The problem with polarization is all those brainwashed people over there."

Oh, no question it’s both. I’m independent, always have been. Lately, the pendulum has swung much farther to one direction. There’s a reason that Jon Stewarts Daily Show was so popular for so long and that’s because there was simply so much material to work with. Now you have conservative comedy outlets that Elon Musk is tweeting about and everything from the left just seems like yelling at the sky by comparison. I’v…

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Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

ShamelessC wrote: post #190
edmcnulty101 wrote: post #132

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> weapons Sensationalism. There were no guns, which an insurrection would have. > A group of people publicly proclaimed that the election was fake. They announced they were going to advance on Congress and Stop The Steal. Even your language: 'advance on Congress and stop the steal' is vague and non-specific, and could refer to a protest. They organized a protest that got out of hand. Sensationalism. I'm not really go…

> This is identity politics in America. No. Identity politics is (for instance) being incredibly pedantic about the usage of a word because you take (glaringly obvious, btw) personal offense to its usage. We have all gathered you are some form of right-leaning conservative at this point. No one else would be as defensive as you have been about this topic. Whether you feel it was an insurrection or not, can we at leas…

I'm actually pretty left leaning and pro UBI and socialized healthcare and education

But I'm also against lies and propaganda.

And the narrative here is a perfect example of how identity politics are damaging to the country as a whole.

This is equivalent to conservatives demonizing liberals for being 'communists'.

Its inaccurate, wrong, polarizing, and the media and the people in power benefit while the rest of us hate each other a little more.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Post by dragonwriter »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #184
dragonwriter wrote: post #178

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> There were no guns, There were guns; several firearms charges have been filed related to the Insurrection. > there was no centralized organization to indicate an insurrection, A single centralized organization is not required for an insurrection; there were various organized groups with common purpose as well as participants inspired by direct calls from influential leaders without participating in a formal organiz…

>> There were guns One person was found with a gun on Capital grounds not inside the capital. the other charges are related to guns in a vehicle and a hearsay claim. You're inflating statistically and significant details to further an inaccurate narrative. >>was a violent, unlawful collective action aimed at using force and threat of force against officials as a means of overturning the election Nice claim but pretty…

> One person was found with a gun on Capital grounds not inside the capital

One insurrectionists was physically caught in the cordon on the grounds when law enforcement was clearing it with a firearm (Alberts), whether he had gone inside the building or not is uncertain (and immaterial).

One insurrectionist (the DEA Agent Ibrahim) was caught and charged with having been on the grounds with a firearm based on photographic evidence; solid cell phone data and the plethora of photos and videos his friend took at his direction make it pretty clear he stayed around the outside of the Capitol.

Another insurrectionist (Reffitt) initially not charged with firearms offense (but where the initial complaint noted that family members indicated that he had taken a disassembled gun to DC) had a firearms charges related to the Capitol complex added in a superceding indictment, but at least the posted information on his case doesn't indicate clearly whether it was just on the grounds or in the building.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Post by dragonwriter »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #187
dragonwriter wrote: post #181

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> I'm slightly baffled as to why there weren't any guns. There were guns. And bombs. And... There was perhaps insufficient organization for the armed participants to employ them effectively.

Where did you hear that there were bombs?

You mean the bombs at DNC and RNC HQ, or the ones that Lonny Leroy Coffman confessed to bringing, along with firearms, to Capitol Hill?

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #194
edmcnulty101 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> There were guns One person was found with a gun on Capital grounds not inside the capital. the other charges are related to guns in a vehicle and a hearsay claim. You're inflating statistically and significant details to further an inaccurate narrative. >>was a violent, unlawful collective action aimed at using force and threat of force against officials as a means of overturning the election Nice claim but pretty…

> One person was found with a gun on Capital grounds not inside the capital One insurrectionists was physically caught in the cordon on the grounds when law enforcement was clearing it with a firearm (Alberts), whether he had gone inside the building or not is uncertain (and immaterial). One insurrectionist (the DEA Agent Ibrahim) was caught and charged with having been on the grounds with a firearm based on photogra…

So no guns found inside the capitol?

Not a single gun was found inside of the location where it's claimed it's claimed they were trying to overthrow? Not a single shot went off?

Just poop on the walls?

Can you overthrow a government by making it so gross with poo that they don't want to go back in the building?

I don't believe this should be labeled an insurrection.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #195
edmcnulty101 wrote: post #187

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Where did you hear that there were bombs?

You mean the bombs at DNC and RNC HQ, or the ones that Lonny Leroy Coffman confessed to bringing, along with firearms, to Capitol Hill?

No I mean confirmed bombs found in the capitol or near the capitol.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Post by ShamelessC »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #187
dragonwriter wrote: post #181

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> I'm slightly baffled as to why there weren't any guns. There were guns. And bombs. And... There was perhaps insufficient organization for the armed participants to employ them effectively.

Where did you hear that there were bombs?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-dc-pipe-bomb-suspect-capitol-...

edit: I see in a sibling thread that you have changed your goalpost to be "bomb in the capitol". I tried being reasonable but you don't want to listen to reason.

edit 2: The person you replied to didn't explicitly specify the location, but reporting on these bombs found at the RNC and DNC headquarters was widespread. A good-faith assumption would have been that they were talking about what was widely reported on and didn't feel the need to justify details to someone who is being needlessly pedantic to try and trip people over their own words.

Did you at least learning something new here? About the bombs?

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Post by dragonwriter »

edmcnulty101 wrote: post #197
dragonwriter wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean the bombs at DNC and RNC HQ, or the ones that Lonny Leroy Coffman confessed to bringing, along with firearms, to Capitol Hill?

No I mean confirmed bombs found in the capitol or near the capitol.

Coffman's truck was, and the DNC and RNC where the bombs were placed are, all near the Capitol.

Re: Preventing extreme polarization of political attitudes

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Post by edmcnulty101 »

ShamelessC wrote: post #198
edmcnulty101 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you hear that there were bombs?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-dc-pipe-bomb-suspect-capitol-... edit: I see in a sibling thread that you have changed your goalpost to be "bomb in the capitol". I tried being reasonable but you don't want to listen to reason. edit 2: The person you replied to didn't explicitly specify the location, but reporting on these bombs found at the RNC and DNC headquarters was widespread. A good-faith assumption would have be…

The person I was responding to claimed there were bombs.

I was just asking them to clarify.

The link you posted shows bombs around D.C. but not at the capitol and there's no clear connection to any organized group or the protests.

Any links that show there were bombs at the capitol building or grounds or that the bombs were confirmed to be connected to the protests?

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