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All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by vineyardmike »

kragen wrote: post #185
rhines wrote: post #146

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Sure, but a big company can absolutely find some little-known creator's work, spin off their own products with it, and use their size to absolutely dominate search results, marketing, and distribution. While it may no longer be legally considered theft, it does seem to be a shame that a creator has a window of only a couple years to find success with their work before they're at risk of it becoming worthless to them.…

Wouldn't have been a problem for Charles M. Schultz. One month of copyright would have been enough to keep him well fed. Same for Nassim Taleb. In the age of the web, the big company's shitty bundled product may have a hard time competing with the creator's website. How many laptop vendors ship a custom fork of Ubuntu? But of course Ubuntu's kernel isn't exactly Linus's mainline, but I don't see him complaining.

> How many laptop vendors ship a custom fork of Ubuntu?

I would be really pissed if i got a "custom fork" of a novel and didn't also get the original, or at least a diff of changes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/technology/amazon-orwell-...

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by devcpp »

LanceH wrote: post #74
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #22

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Life of the author+0 years. Most people expect to inherit money and property from their parents but not to be paid for work their parents did years ago. I don't see why children of authors should have different expectations.

Creates the odd incentive for people to die.

And also to not die, since they earn money for their children. It's the reverse of the usual inheritance situation, where the state and the kids both want the person to die.

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by vineyardmike »

LanceH wrote: post #74
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #22

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Life of the author+0 years. Most people expect to inherit money and property from their parents but not to be paid for work their parents did years ago. I don't see why children of authors should have different expectations.

Creates the odd incentive for people to die.

Maybe timeleft = (AVG_LIFE_EXPECTANCY - currAge) or till death if currAge > avglife

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by andrekandre »

t-writescode wrote: post #177
grishka wrote: post #176

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There is copyright, but it's non-transferable and only lasts for 2-3 years. After that time, yes, anyone can copy and distribute it. My idea here is that you would have the option of either paying right now, or waiting when the copyright expires and getting it legally for free. In our current system people don't even consider that copyrights have an expiry date, they operate as if they're effectively indefinite. And…

I think the big problem here is that 2-3 years is almost no time at all . With 2-3 years, basically everyone will wait for the next book in the Game of Thrones series to come out of costing money. Covid has been nearly 2 years, and for many of us it feels both like yesterday and also like forever ago, for example. And then you'll have people that want to watch the movie of something, so they're willing to pay the vid…

  > RR Martin would make zero dollars from Game of Thrones, for example.
idk... how many people are still watching game of thrones?

whats the long tail look like for popular books?

my impression was, most books that make any money are hugely popular for a short time, then basically fall off a "sales cliff"... i wonder if anyones done any comprehensive stories about this subject.

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by vineyardmike »

dahart wrote: post #28
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #11

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Maybe 10 years. We are moving at breakneck speed in just about every corner, but copyright protections. A decade is forever in today's world.

Is 10 years enough protection for the source code of a startup? Sometimes it takes longer than that to break even… All law moves slowly. The law is supposed to move slowly, that’s (mostly) a feature, not a bug. You don’t want the existing laws to change every year, driving would be more of a nightmare than it already is. Copyright was originally about protecting a creator’s ability to make some money from their works…

> Is 10 years enough protection for the source code of a startup?

How many startups today make their money by sharing actual source code and not cloud services? Unless its AGPL then you need not know the source for most services anyways.

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by vineyardmike »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #129
mattl wrote: post #103

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But how would that begin to work in practice? Someone makes an album or a book and everyone an just copy it without any fee?

Yes. And why not? That I can do that so easily today even with copyright just goes to show how post-scarcity information is. The problem, of course, is that the creators of the work still need to participate in a scarcity economy to live. There are examples of efforts being made to fund creators outside the traditional scarcity-based mechanism, such as patreon funding, github sponsorship, and the like, although I adm…

How do you ensure the copy you buy isn't adulterated and modified? One benefit of copyright is that the author can ensure the "real" one is shared... which you may care about when viewing content.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/technology/amazon-orwell-...

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by vineyardmike »

toast0 wrote: post #151
iamben wrote: post #61

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Honestly, I don't mind the idea that you the creator, personally, holds the copyright for life. If I write a song in my 20s that sets the world on fire and I can still live a good life at 80 off the back of it, great. The minute I sell that copyright to someone else (or it's inherited), a time limit begins to apply. Perhaps here you move into the '20 years' or something category.

For popular works, tracking the life of the creator is doable. For less popular works, figuring out who the creator is can be rather difficult. And then figuring out if they're alive isn't always easy either. The screen actors guild has somewhat of a highlander policy, but if I release something Copyright My Name, there's hundreds or thousands of people it could be, including a Pulitzer Prize winning author who will…

Thats what registration is for. We know the "true" authors/owners of most patents, so why not copyrights.

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by andrekandre »

cgio wrote: post #182
bena wrote: post #170

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If you are in it for self-expression, you're entirely free to self-express to your heart's content. Copyright doesn't matter, publishers don't matter, studios don't matter. The minute you want to express yourself to others, you're no longer in it for self-expression. And regardless of your opinion on what should and should not exist, people should be fairly compensated for their endeavors, even if those endeavors are…

How were artists living before copyrights? We’ve had quite a few of them delivering masterpieces. So we can reward efforts the same ways as before, art will not die just be less profitable maybe. If reproduction is easy what do we as a society earn by making it harder artificially? I don’t believe any other worker is having these benefits. You do your job, paid for your effort by someone willing to do so, and then go…

  > That includes other creative occupations and most of the employees of e.g. movie studios. Are we fairly compensating _them_ for their work?
what i find really interesting is, why is it that a company owns what i make there automatically?

afaik i didn't sign any copyright assignment in my work contract...

i wonder what the legal basis is for that?

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by kristopolous »

btilly wrote: post #165
kristopolous wrote: post #123

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Hey be careful what you wish for! Check out "I am the Edison phonograph" from 1906 https://youtu.be/EQC9CjFezrQ I'd use that, totally would.

Sadly, that's still under copyright. The problem was that various music copyrights were being dated from the 1970s for historical reasons despite the music itself being much older. Congress passed a law fixing a whole lot of that in one lump. Which is why music from the 1920s becomes public domain at the same time as movies from the early 1930s.

I guess it's Bessie Smith and Jelly Roll Morton then.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zCrtErmipXE

Alright, that's fine for now. The distance between this and modern pop music is actually razor thin. Update the instrumentation with synthesizers, give it percussions and you'd be done.

Interesting, the covers are further away from modern pop than this is

Re: All sound recordings prior to 1923 will enter the US public domain in 2022

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Post by Retric »

KarlKemp wrote: post #179
Retric wrote: post #89

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In 1920 at birth a males life expectancy was ~54, at 40 a man could be expected to live to ~70. Current estimates are almost unchanged between birth and 40 at 76.23 vs 78.75. That’s a 25% increase in life expectancy at 40, but that a long way from the 41% increase from birth. I chose 40 because it wasn’t medicine that made the biggest difference for 20 to 40 year olds but war. And actuarial tables can’t predict wars…

Yes, your original post was indeed correct by hedging a bit, speaking of "adult life expectancy" vs. "infant/child mortality". People read that and it registers as infants dying within days after birth. But life expectancy for 10-year-olds has doubled: https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy . I doubt that your comment makes people think of dead teenagers, even though your post doesn't contradict that interpretati…

I think you’re confusing me with someone else, this is my second post in this thread. Anyway, the data doesn’t support doubling life expectancy for 10 year olds unless you go really far back.

Look at the England a whales data in your link, in 1841 10 year olds could expect to see 57.6, or another 47.6 years. In 2013 that bumped to 82.2 or another 72.2 years. By 20, they could likely hit 60 or another 40 years worth of life, and by 40 they where up into ~67.4.

However again the difference is largely one of lack of war and famine rather than medicine. The chart is bouncing around because of events that killed large numbers of people, but it smooths out as you approach today.

PS: Their Spanish Flu suggestion is off, it was actually WWI and the flu that’s responsible for much of that drop as seen by 40 year olds being largely unaffected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#/media/File:W_curv...

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