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Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by whimsicalism »

bawolff wrote: post #120
boomboomsubban wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your goal is to hurt Israel, I doubt you would give money to the NSO Group to spy on Palestinian human rights defenders in the hopes that some day their targets list becomes public. As if that violation of Palestinian rights would suddenly turn people against Israel. And if it's their enemies are behind the hack and then are adding false information to hurt Israel, there are so many better targets. Any US journali…

I was thinking more if you had access to some leaked nso exploits somehow, not paying them. And i do think israel is vulnerable to bad PR, especially right now when there has been a lot of it recently - at least that seems to be its weakest point right now. Its not like anyone is going to win a straight up military conflict with them. > Any US journalist critical of Israel for example. But if you do that, NSA becomes…

> On the whole though, i do think its more likely that Israel is behind this

Not just more likely, but overwhelmingly more likely.

You are clearly not weighing the facts in a neutral manner if you think a false flag by Hamas (?) using an Israeli security company's exploit to hack Palestinian activists has any substantial possibility of being what occurred.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by White_Wolf »

pythonlion wrote: post #72
Quanttek wrote: post #57

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This is undoubtedly false. Speaking of "purported evidence" when there is literally no credible evidence submitted by the Israeli government for these allegations is misleading at best. Their whole case rests on the testimony of two Palestinian accountants, likely attained by torture, that worked for two organizations that were not included in the list of six [1]. They merely state it is "general knowledge" that thes…

why Israel need to answer to EU and why everything EU does is automatically right?

Exploting bugs to gain unauthorized access is a crime regardless of who does it. If the crime happened on EU grounds they have to asnwer to EU. That particular company should have trading sactions imposed on it just like the country it belongs to. We do the same for Russian hackers so it's only fair to apply that to everyone else.

EU is the modern equivalent of Soviet Union and it behaves like that. They do a ton of stuff wrong and they take decisions without any regard for the local culture and people. This has nothing to do with illegal access to other peoples devices.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by White_Wolf »

jjcon wrote: post #190
asadlionpk wrote: post #187

I feel like many pro-Israel commentators here are a coordinated low quality effort to derail conversation using “tactics”. I feel this happens on the daily bases online. I remember reading about it; Israel’s strategy to train their online citizens to do this.

Not everything is a conspiracy, some people might just disagree with you

Here's some research(2018) on the topic that involved a lot of countries. While this place is pretty tame is comparison with others, I wouldn't be suprised if that would actually be true. https://demtech.oii.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/93/201...

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by lacker »

This title is quite editorialized. The whole controversy is over whether these are human rights organizations as this website claims, or terrorist groups as the Israeli government claims.

It should not be a surprise that the NSO group, as an Israeli company, is working against groups that the Israeli government considers to be terrorists.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by boomboomsubban »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #115
boomboomsubban wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Putting them on the entity list just limits what US exports can go directly to them. Basically I can't sell a zero day to the NSO group, but I can buy one from them. This can hardly be considered a sign something is changing, it's the bare minimum that can be done for PR purposes.

> it's the bare minimum that can be done for PR purposes This is an edgy dismissal from an armchair, but it’s wrong. Functionally, this designation cuts the company and its employees off from the American financial system.

How? There's no restriction on buying from the NSO Group, I'm unaware of there being any restriction on using US banks. The Entity List just bars exports of certain items to that company. What US good are they dependent on?

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by wara23arish »

raxxorrax wrote: post #153
wara23arish wrote: post #142

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Does the public policy saying that in order to receive aid due to hurricane harvey you must vow not to boycott israeli products count? https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/texas-city-tells-people-... There are countless many examples like this.

That is indeed quite a weird restriction. Sure that law was made by Jews? I think many would oppose such a move. On the other hand some feel compelled to enact such laws because there are groups tell funny stories about Jews or Israel. Any more examples? Help for hurricane relief, as weird as it may be, doesn't indicate political influence, although many states have special protections for minorities of all kind.

You asked for public policy that favors Jews.

This one favors them but is not targeted to American Jews rather Israelis.

Boycotting Israel is not about telling funny stories about Jews. I suggest you read a little about why the boycott exists in the first place if you truly want to know.

I had no idea Israelis thousands of miles away are considered minorities in states like Texas and Georgia and many others.

There is also a restriction on working for the state that you must not boycott Israel.

This is as clear as day that its a violation of free speech by gov actors.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by helge9210 »

yonixw wrote: post #117
DSingularity wrote: post #107

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Israel, a country that terrorizes Palestinians on the daily accuses everyone that fights it as terrorists. Maybe some are, but I think our minds should be initialized to “given the terror you consciously and actively spread, please provide evidence for any terrorist accusations”.

> Israel, a country that terrorizes Palestinians on the daily accuses They don't. Sending a Police Riot control unit against a group of people throwing stones and molotovs does not qualify as being terrorized. > accuses everyone that fights it as terrorists. If they hurt bystanding civilians (and they do) or funnel money for it (and they do) there is nothing wrong with that. > Maybe some are They are, Hamas, Hezbolla…

> They don't. Sending a Police Riot control unit against a group of people throwing stones and molotovs does not qualify as being terrorized.

But sending an army unit with an order "break the village" which results in shock grenades being dropped into a cradle with the baby inside does qualify them as being terrorized.

Note: I'm Israeli and was working with people who got those orders and carried them out during their service.

Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by [deleted] »

bawolff wrote: post #83
VictorPath wrote: post #65

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Al-Haq is a Palestinian human rights NGO funded by the European Union. Two weeks ago, Israel labeled six Palestinian NGOs, including al-Haq, terrorist organizations and has outlawed them. This was condemned by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and others. The EU also funded the other Palestinian human rights NGOs which Israel outlawed. The US had an office in Jerusalem dealing with Palestinians that Trump clo…

I don't understand how people can think Israel mass bombed gaza. Israel has one of the largest militaries in the world. If they decided to mass bomb somewhere, it wouldn't be a place anymore. Its not the 1800s. A mass bombing is not something anyone walks away from in the modern world.

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Re: Six Palestinian organizations hacked with NSO Group’s Pegasus Spyware

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Post by asadlionpk »

jjcon wrote: post #190
asadlionpk wrote: post #187

I feel like many pro-Israel commentators here are a coordinated low quality effort to derail conversation using “tactics”. I feel this happens on the daily bases online. I remember reading about it; Israel’s strategy to train their online citizens to do this.

Not everything is a conspiracy, some people might just disagree with you

Being online for decades, I think I can differentiate when a comment disagrees or just low-effort derails.
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