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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by krzyk »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #128
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I plop down on my couch, pick up the controller, and it just works. Whereas on PC I have to go upstairs, usually switch out my work cables and keyboard/mouse, power up the thing, then fire up my game. Definitely less comfortable than the console experience, but on the other hand, there's games that just don't work on consoles (strategy, text-heavy games, etc). At the moment I play Sekiro on the console and FFXIV on t…

It all depends what one wants.

I for one hate using controller, and consoles don't support M+K (ok, xbox does, but not all games do).

Playing 3d shooter on controller is just like playing it using arrow keys, possible and I was doing that when I played DOOM (the original). Tried it and hated every minute of it because of inprecise shooting.

And strategy games? Moving pointer with controller?

RTS? Is there any on consoles?

And the last but not least, what to do when one doesn't have a TV? Those are not popular nowadays :)

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by gigatexal »

SirHound wrote: post #174
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…

Can you use a keyboard and a mouse with a console yet?

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by zaarn »

fabian2k wrote: post #188
zaarn wrote: post #178

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You can definitely get a GPU for affordable prices if you're willing to wait. The insane prices apply if you want a GPU now . Also keep in mind that consoles are subject to the very same price increase, it's nearly impossible to obtain a console for the advertised price.

I got a PS5 months ago for the regular price (400 EUR for the digital-only version), and I didn't put that much effort into getting it. A 3060 would be at least 700 EUR right now. And the GPU prices have been rather expensive, if not as outright insane as right now for years. So PC gaming in general has become less attractive from a financial point while console prices are pretty much the same (though with some diffi…

You don't need a 3060, you can simply get a GPU from a few generations back. You can get a Vega 56 for about 300€ which will play most games in high quality settings without any issues.

Same for all other components, it's no longer true that you need current-gen technology to be able to play with Graphics put on High.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by no1lives4ever »

agret wrote: post #61
Xplune13 wrote: post #42

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Not the OP, but in India, the lowest priced one I could find was from ASUS, which costs around $2600. I don't think the vanilla RTX 3080Ti is available here yet. The most expensive one was from MSI which costs around $3200. Whereas PS5 (official price i.e. without considering the shortages) costs $675.

What currency is that in?

I suppose OP is specifying USD. Currency in India would be INR for India.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by Sebb767 »

me_me_me wrote: post #172
owaislone wrote: post #165

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For me it is the ability to jump in, play for 30 mins and get out any time I want. The guarantee that everything that has a label of my console on it will work instead of my PC specs running it in a sub-optimal mode or not running at all. The fact that I don't have to worry about dealing with Windows or PC in general just to play some games but biggest of all, the ability to just pack it up and take it with me wherev…

i have GTX 970, in drivers section of Nvidia its in legacy category. I dont really see the issue of suboptimal experience to worry about. Modern games autodetect optimal options to play out of the box.

You still have the problem of maintaining an OS, installing the games and possible downtimes when something breaks on the windows side. Plus, you still have to worry whether your hardware is sufficient to play it fluidly at all times. On a console, someone tested that for you and ironed out the edge cases.

I'm not a console gamer, but I can see the appeal.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by ThatPlayer »

melff wrote: post #117
haunter wrote: post #93

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- Cheaper than a gaming PC. Of course it depends on your setup but for the same price ($500 MSRP) it would be hard to build a decent rig that plays the current gen new games perfectly - It just works. Games can have bugs but no hassle with installation, drivers etc. Games are more or less better optimzed because all the devs are working on the same hardware. No 100s different CPU and GPU. And one operating system - E…

> That being said I have a gaming PC and consoles too mostly becasue of the exclusives That's one of the reasons I hate consoles on an ideological level. Unless there are technical reason that make porting the game so hard that it's just not worth it, the only reason for "exclusives" to exist is to fuck over consumers.

Exclusives aren't unique to consoles. Plenty of games are PC only, and therefore fuck over consumers who do not have a PC. More precisely, they're also Windows only, fucking over consumers who are on Linux or Mac.

At the end of the day, very few games on available on everything, and they shouldn't be required to be.

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Post by elondaits »

rvz wrote: post #114
dajonker wrote: post #90

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Convenience and cost for me. You get significantly better hardware for your money than a PC for the same price, while it is guaranteed that all games you can buy will run as the developer intended it. Just turn it on and play.

> it is guaranteed that all games you can buy will run as the developer intended it. Exactly. It just works and saves time. Just buy the game, plug it in and play it. Simple. No 'swap this GPU inside step', 'installing additional drivers step' or 'incompatible hardware errors', or 'run it in 32 bit mode' etc.

And it “just works” for many years, during which games get better looking, rather than having to turn down visual quality settings like on a PC five minutes after you bought it.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by salamandersauce »

gigatexal wrote: post #192
SirHound wrote: post #174

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I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…

Can you use a keyboard and a mouse with a console yet?

Yes, not every game will let you use one without an adapter to mimic being a controller but some do. For example Fortnite on Switch will let you use a mouse and keyboard.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by maccard »

zeusk wrote: post #183
maccard wrote: post #159

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It just works is a huge one. Driver issues and OS versions are such a huge pain even now. Many games require brand new drivers (which very often very very unstable), and the MS store required your windows version to be up to date, and everyone has their story about windows update being stuck for months on end. That's before you get into the "openness" of PC - if you want to play a game on steam but your friend has bo…

> you want to play a game on steam but your friend has bought it on the Microsoft store how do you play together? How do you voice chat? Both services support adding non platform games through their shortcut/executable. They also support voice chat for groups and players not in game. > What do you do when the Xbox services don't work when docker is installed? File a bug report? Or you just came up with some hypotheti…

> Both services support adding non platform games through their shortcut/executable.

That only launches the game through the correct store. If the game doesn't implement cross play, you can't play together.

> They also support voice chat for groups and players not in game.

But you're trying to be in game with the person, and again if the game doesn't do in-game voice chat, you have to find alternatives. On a console you join a party and the software correctly handles the cases around "do I want to put you in a voice chat channel for your game" (because it has to to pass certification).

> File a bug report? Or you just came up with some hypothetical issues?

Really helpfully closed after 30 days of inactivity. https://github.com/docker/for-win/issues/42. (I didn't make this bug, but I found it, and just logged onto my xbox instead).

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by maccard »

zaarn wrote: post #179
maccard wrote: post #150

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In absolute numbers there are more free games on PC (see itch.io) yes but that kind of doesn't matter. If your game choices are purely driven by cost then a second hand laptop with f2p games is going to be the cheapest approach. If you exclusively want to play f2p games, then a cheap PC or a cheap console doesn't really matter. Buy if you're going to be buying a handful of new releases a year, the difference is more…

I didn't say you'd have to buy a workplace PC with gaming capabilities, there is plenty of opportunities for a PC to be productive outside work and gaming (such as commenting on HN).

I can do all of those things on my phone (and I do!)
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