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Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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Post by wizzwizz4 » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 11:23 AM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #171

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #161

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Why pretend? If you genuinely believe it, the confirmation bias is likely to keep you from thinking about it enough to assess whether it's true. (Do you regularly re-assess whether the sky is blue, or whether you're wearing clothes? It's just there, background knowledge.)

You are probably right, many people aren't pretending. They really do think their opponents are a monoculture. Convenient, I suppose, critical thinking takes effort.

Yeah. None of my opponents do critical thinking; it's a good thing my lot do.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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Post by bryan_w » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 1:58 PM UTC

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #169

slownews45 wrote: post #98

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You can only be suggested as a name for someone else's photo if you've turned face recognition on. "If you’d like other people to see tag suggestions for you, you’ll need to turn on your face recognition setting." So you need to opt in to it to let others tag you.

But how does it know that "This is slownews45's face, so don't show any auto-tag recommendation for it."..?

You got the algorithm backwards, if slownews45 uploads a pic, the system gathers all of their friends who opted in and compares any found faces to the templates of the opted in folks. If it doesn't get a hit, it simply moves on

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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Post by jjj123 » Wed, Nov 03, 2021, 2:14 PM UTC

unsungNovelty wrote: post #186

jjj123 wrote: post #141

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I think the breach of privacy is giving an almost trillion dollar corporation free training data via my face and name combination. I don’t mind an individual knowing this information, but I’d rather that individual not hand that data over to a megacorp that has a million other unknown uses for it.

This is true. But in your point I assume you are talking about the company who is doing the facial recognition I assume. But that is not the case really. Even if the person uses a home grown tech, the person can eventually share it to another dataset. A good example is me refusing to share my photo with my friends for that app which turns you into an old guy. Another friend just out of spite shared a personal photo h…

I’m not sure which part of my comment you’re replying to, I think we’re in total agreement.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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Post by drusepth » Thu, Nov 04, 2021, 10:04 PM UTC

jrochkind1 wrote: post #185

drusepth wrote: post #183

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I actually have NYT blocked because their reporting has had such shoddy research lately, but I guess they're probably referring to the face-clustering feature for tags where, when you upload an album, they'll cluster all the like-faces to you to let you tag all of them at once [1]. It was released in December 2010 and, AFAIK, is technically only face detection (they didn't suggest whose face it might be for many year…

No, you're not being pedantic, I appreciate the history, I was just wondering if anyone knew what was what here, after you supplied those citations for much later introduction date. And you supplied some info, thanks! (I don't know why you have to block something for having bad reporting, but we don't have to talk about that!)

Thanks, glad I could assist!

(Haha, always trying to take back a few seconds/minutes in the day. I find blackholing links to a few websites that get linked often, but aren't often worth reading, helps with that. :) )

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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Post by hungrigekatze » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 4:22 AM UTC

Meta has no plans to discontinue the use of facial recognition though: https://www.vox.com/recode/22761598/facebook-facial-recognit...

The story of how Facebook's facial recognition capabilities came to be is an interesting one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepFace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face.com

I had no idea that Face.com's algorithm was/is able to ID ~97% of all faces 'in the wild'. Nor did I know that Face.com had opened its API to use by dozens (hundreds?) of companies back in 2007. I wouldn't doubt if there are knock-offs / clones / reverse-engineered versions of the original Face.com API floating around. API security and design - in 200x - wasn't what it is today.

Re: Facebook plans to shut down its facial recognition system

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Post by jrochkind1 » Fri, Nov 05, 2021, 5:13 PM UTC

drusepth wrote: post #194

jrochkind1 wrote: post #185

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No, you're not being pedantic, I appreciate the history, I was just wondering if anyone knew what was what here, after you supplied those citations for much later introduction date. And you supplied some info, thanks! (I don't know why you have to block something for having bad reporting, but we don't have to talk about that!)

Thanks, glad I could assist! (Haha, always trying to take back a few seconds/minutes in the day. I find blackholing links to a few websites that get linked often, but aren't often worth reading, helps with that. :) )

I'm still seeing things that suggest they really did deploy this in 2010 though... were they press-releasing more than they were actually doing in 2010?

June 2011...

> “When you or a friend upload new photos, we use face recognition software . . . to match your new photos to other photos you’re tagged in,’’ Justin Mitchell, a Facebook engineer, said in a Facebook blog. “We group similar photos together and, whenever possible, suggest the name of the friend in the photos.’’

http://archive.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2011/...