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France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Basically prices will rise for French due to poor competitiveness. This is a growing trend and will not be limited to books.

Speaking of “culture” or religion, some practices are bad and better to die. We don’t live in caves anymore after all. It might feel nice to talk about unique culture and identity of isolated tribes in Amazon (the rainforest, not the company); trust me, you don’t want to be in some of these places if you are a woman or disabled.

Local shops need to find creative ways to do business (coffee offers, meet ups etc), instead of lobbying that governments kills competition. Or do something else.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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France has a long history of attempting to protect its cultural industries, including film and publishing. It's not wrong. There are other things that are important aside from customer purchasing power. Amazon is using its economies of scale to drive out smaller businesses. It is not unique in that. But the industries that Amazon affects may be unique to the nations that wish to preserve them. Most centralization inc…

> Amazon is using its economies of scale to drive out smaller businesses. It is not unique in that. But the industries that Amazon affects may be unique to the nations that wish to preserve them.

Another way of phrasing that: France’s local book sellers are so bad at serving their customers that an American company that’s existed less than 30 years can totally undercut them, despite the local sellers’ massive advantage in understanding their local communities and culture.

I don’t know why folks are so willing to jump to protect small businesses that don’t do a good job. Local is fundamentally a good place to be. Local is an advantage. (Amazon knows this; see how they’re using Whole Foods to create a local presence and _improve_ their service). Large businesses got to be large because they were better at serving their customers than the small businesses.

My personal experience is that the small businesses are just worse at providing consistent, friendly, high quality service. They are rewarded by the market accordingly.

Government protection for heritage is maybe ok, but protecting lazy, self-entitled business owners from competitive market forces is not. If there’s really a problem with shipping costs that they desperately need to fix, they can just make postage cheaper for books, similar to the USPS media mail program.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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> I’ve never found anything interesting on Amazon Probably a lack of your own imagination. There’s a lifetime of interesting books on Amazon.

Same for me. I've found plenty of interesting stuff on Amazon.

Don't you love their prices? I have seen some crazy prices on Amazon. I have seen prices as high as $1200.00 for a book. Not a rare, or out of print book either.

I think some wingding MBA said, "Lets go after the people who don't have the sence to shop around for price." Let our resellers jack up the price to Crazy because we will get our cut,

I'm a Watchmaker, and sometimes suprised by the hugh prices I see on books related to my interest. And yes, it's a niche subject, but a quick glance at Ebay usually exposes a reasonable price.

(In all fairness, all the big book sellers started doing it. The last holdout was Thriftbooks, but they are no different that Amazon now. Strike that--they realized some people don't care about price, but I have never seen a gut punching price on their website.)

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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post #191

Basically prices will rise for French due to poor competitiveness. This is a growing trend and will not be limited to books. Speaking of “culture” or religion, some practices are bad and better to die. We don’t live in caves anymore after all. It might feel nice to talk about unique culture and identity of isolated tribes in Amazon (the rainforest, not the company); trust me, you don’t want to be in some of these pla…

Yeah, let's replace all world cultures with monoculture of McDonalds, Coca-Cola and Disneyland. After all, US being able to pour printed money at absurd quantities means it has the best culture in the world, and all the others vastly inferior?..

It's so sad.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is actually protecting the small book stores, right? Big stores like the Fnac could offer the same shipping prices as Amazon (and maybe they're already doing it). Publishers don't care much who is selling the book as long as it's selling. Obviously this only applies to physical books. Ebooks only account for about 15% of books sold in France unlike the US where it's close to 5…

> Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is actually protecting the small book stores, right? Looks like it's protecting everyone except the book buying consumer.

one could argue that in the long term book buying consumers are protected from a monopoly that would probably appear

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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There are laws preventing price dropping on new books. If Amazon has to start charging for shipping, they will be charging the same as every other bookstore in total, making them just another option among the others. Some will still prefer Amazon, but there is no downside anymore to chose another online shop (and there’s plenty big and reputable ones).

making them just another option among the others Not quite. Amazon will make more profit than it does by removing the shipping subsidy. Then, given their preexisting market position and logistics/delivery network, it's still likely to be faster to get a book from Amazon if a local store doesn't have a copy. If you don't have to have the book right now and are already a regular Amazon shopper, Amazon still has a signi…

Will then be mandating slow shopping next?

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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All for a way to protect small businesses which actually pay local taxes vs. Amazon which doesn't pay taxes in the US at all - but not sure a minimum ship price is the best approach. Isn't there a better way, perhaps based on physical presence?

Amazon pays tons of sales tax.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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The entire copyright industry for example. You mean like... books?

Physical books? No.

How do physical books not depend on copyright? The author still needs to get paid, and printing is fairly cheap.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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Couldn’t Key Bank have used the money for conservation as well? But is simply naming a stadium after the name of your bank somehow better?

I already answered that question.

You didn’t.

And also, the whole reason Amazon named it that is because they are pledging to make the arena powered by renewable energy. You can certainly argue how significant that is, but it certainly doesn’t seem all that different from buying a park and naming it after climate change.

Re: France moves to shield its book industry from Amazon

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> The effect will be to force the same sticker price everywhere, as intended for years now. So in the end the seller with the best service will win.

It just removes the price out of the equation. There will be any number of other factors pushing a customer to choose a store or another. On a personal level, delivery network was a big one, and Amazon wasn't the best on this as you can't choose in most cases (delivery guys randomly calling on my phone because they got lost in another town...). But everyone will have their pet peeve, some people will just chose on ho…

> It just removes the price out of the equation.

I too welcome our post-scarcity future :)

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