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14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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> the Touch Bar. It was introduced in 2016 and… never really went anywhere. A more aggressive set of software updates from Apple might have turned it into something, but that never happened. > Now it’s gone, replaced instead by a very traditional row of function keys. Well to be honest I liked the Touch Bar and I used it quite often. On the other hand I never used the "Function Keys".

How did you change volume or brightness?

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Personally I dislike this bit. Thinness isn't everything, but it's something. I don't know that the new models really needed to look as brick-ish as they do, and the previous design was certainly sexier.

I actually like the throwback, personally. I'm guessing they did that to differentiate it in the market. What I have trouble getting over is the flipping notch to the top. Just why. The bezel on my 2019 macbook looks the same, if not skinnier. Do people really not watch fullscreen videos anymore or something?

You should look into the actual implementation of the notch and I think you'll be pleased! Imagine the exact same screen as your 2019 macbook pro, but instead of black bezel on the left and the right of the camera, you have the menu bar instead.

Everything beneath the notch is the same size as the screen on previous laptops, so the notch allows for extra space beyond the 16x10 that you're used to. This means when not using fullscreen apps, you gain some screen real-estate because the menu bar now has dedicated space for it. However, when you're doing something fullscreen (like watching a video) the screen on either side of the notch is blacked out so you're left with a standard sized screen for viewing your content (with no visible notch). It seems like a win-win.

I much prefer this implementation to what they did on the iPhone with the notch cutting into fullscreen images and videos. The only downside I can see is if you have a light colored menu bar or background and don't like the look of it when not fullscreen, however my menubar is always black anyways so I don't see that being an issue at all.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Can you identify a system that doesn’t cause these issues for you?

Older systems like a ThinkPad from 2013 work. Something changed around then for the display tech.

IPS vs TN?

There are many, many differences between display techs. Higher / lower contrast, brightness, ‘Refresh rate’ - where these can be controlled at higher granularity than the whole display at once these days. Colour response, blue light and it’s presence / absence.

There is also simply screen size. Large screens (‘external’ monitors) are much more commonplace. Having more screen real-estate in field of view could be a factor.

How close we sit to screens. That many people also look at phone screens for the time they aren’t looking at a ‘computer’ screen. Maybe just total screen viewing time is important.

Perhaps it’s possible to eliminate many of these factors? Go back to 2013 screen size, amount of phone screen use, TV screen size, etc.

It might be easier to just go cold turkey and stop using anything but one small 2013 era monitor with a TN screen (no mobile, no TV, no tablet etc.) and see if all is well, then start re-introducing.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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> the Touch Bar. It was introduced in 2016 and… never really went anywhere. A more aggressive set of software updates from Apple might have turned it into something, but that never happened. > Now it’s gone, replaced instead by a very traditional row of function keys. Well to be honest I liked the Touch Bar and I used it quite often. On the other hand I never used the "Function Keys".

How did you change volume or brightness?

You can set the touch bar to always show the "control strip" instead of keeping it minimized on the right side of the touch bar.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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My guess is that Apple bet on something that did not materialise, it wasn't about Jony Ive not caring about user feedback. What was the bet you say? I think they bet that the shift to USB-C/Thunderbolt/Wireless will happen quickly and they can help with the push and increase their margins. IMHO It wasn't a design decision but a business one and I think the removal of mag-safe is a giveaway. Every little thing that th…

USB-C adoption mostly went fine, though. Or as fine as could be expected. I think the past five years can be more easily explained with — ironically — a Steve Jobs quote: > When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks, because that's what you needed on the farm. But as vehicles started to be used in the urban centers, cars got more popular … PCs are going to be like trucks. They're still going to be around,…

Really? USB-C adoption went fine? I have never seen a usb thing that I found superior to what it replaced. I see a lot of dongles though.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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What's amusing about the "design purity" is this is basically (from an externals point of view) an upgraded PowerBook G4. Good design isn't limited to "make it look as much like a thin sheet of metal as possible".

Personally I dislike this bit. Thinness isn't everything, but it's something. I don't know that the new models really needed to look as brick-ish as they do, and the previous design was certainly sexier.

I agree. For me thinness is portability and that is very important. I'm willing to trade quite a bit of performance for that.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

#197

If I had to choose between an SD card slot and a USB-A port, I definitely would have chosen a USB-A port. I would take both, if possible. I would even give up a USB-C port for a USB-A port, but that might be a little backward-thinking. The USB-A to USB-C adapter is small and inexpensive, but it is still something I will need, mainly for the occasional flash drive.

The magic keyboard still comes with a USB-A plug. Also, my low profile USB-A Yubikey is still fantastic and there's no viable replacement. It has been 6 years since Apple removed USB-A. I think we've found the line between forcing painful but necessary change (remember when apple removed the floppy drive in 2000?) and trying to force change, but failing. In the transition to USB-C they tried replicate their success killing the floppy. I think we can all agree that they failed.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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USB-C adoption mostly went fine, though. Or as fine as could be expected. I think the past five years can be more easily explained with — ironically — a Steve Jobs quote: > When we were an agrarian nation, all cars were trucks, because that's what you needed on the farm. But as vehicles started to be used in the urban centers, cars got more popular … PCs are going to be like trucks. They're still going to be around,…

Really? USB-C adoption went fine? I have never seen a usb thing that I found superior to what it replaced. I see a lot of dongles though.

I don't get the dongle people. You can just buy USB-C to USB-B cords. They cost about the same as dongles. I replaced the cords on all my devices years ago and never looked back.

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Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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... All 4:3 videos are taller than 16:9 certainly, and there's a non-trivial number of those.

Absolutely. I run into this all the time with my phone's screen (likely a different ratio, but I almost never have it not cover video. If there's a program that will literally add black padding until the notch goes away I'd probably use it, at least when watching media.

There is. It's called macOs. The screen is 16:10 and then the menu bar, with the notch is extra space on top of that.

I can't even be frustrated with you. This is so humanity. "I hate what they did! If only they had done this instead!" They did do that. They talk about that a lot. The article talks about that. They solved the problem in a way so obvious that it's what random people on the internet come up with, but of course the same random people on the internet are so convinced of their own superiority and so sure of Apple's inferiority and also unable to read TFA.

Re: 14-inch MacBook Pro review: A Mac Pro in your backpack

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Much has already been said about this, but this achievement of shipping a MBP that pro users seem to love is a triumph of user feedback over design purity. I suspect that Jony Ives’ departure may have facilitated this. I suspect it will be a breakout success and I aspire to contribute to their sales figures some day. Of all of Apple’s revenue streams I know their pro products are now merely an afterthought, but they…

I’m not sure if their pro-lines were an afterthought, rather they weren’t in a good position to strongly differentiate their pro devices. “Disruption” in the pro space is going to be about performance, Apple did leverage their technologies for better performance and made some choice software acquisitions - but this involved pros switching tools and workflows to realise a moderate speed jump. A more powerful disruption is simply having much faster hardware, which at the time was unavailable - but clearly in development for quite some time. I think moving forward we should expect the pro lines to have benchmarks that are not just impressive, but custom silicon that makes changing software/workflows a huge advantage. I will definitely be moving over my video workflows for example - the performance gains make the time savings worth it. I also feel that Adobe has to really pull their finger out now, as software that has been built on Apple’s tech is seeing insane performance jumps.
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