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Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by ezekiel68 »

outworlder wrote: post #32
rlpb wrote: post #15

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> I wonder why Ubuntu/Canonical can never get their upgrade game to work properly. Ubuntu developer here. Sounds like you have a really hacked up system there, and that it's your existing system that has issues. Under these circumstances, I don't think it's reasonable to expect an upgrade to be able to work smoothly. Scripts that handle upgrade paths necessarily need to make assumptions that what they are upgrading f…

> Sounds like you have a really hacked up system there Some people would call this 'a system that's actually being used to do something'. Don't blame users unless it's clear they are doing something egregious with the system. Installing a different Python version shouldn't break installers, but here we are. Ubuntu should have taken a page from CoreOS, NixOS and even Arch. CoreOS with their immutable system partitions…

    Installing a different Python version shouldn't break installers, but here we are.
laughs in https://xkcd.com/1987/ .

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by amdelamar »

lordofgibbons wrote: post #120

A lot of negativity in this thread. I've been using Ubuntu for about 10 years and is my favorite distro after trying a few others. I went through the whole distro hoping thing and using Arch to set up everything just the way I wanted phase, and while very fun & educational, it isn't good for getting things done. Ubuntu just works and let's me be productive with things I care about. Thank you Ubuntu team!

I've had a similar phase and just switched back to Ubuntu a week ago after having used a number of different distros since 2011. As a software developer myself, I think there is a mix of two emotions that lead to this; fear of missing out (FOMO) and imposter syndrome. I was trying to learn as much as possible for a while, adding skills to my resume, thinking my peers were doing the same. (They were not). All that time I ended up suffering from some pretty poor UX issues (Audio/Bluetooth/Wifi) that I tried fixing unsuccessfully or ignoring for the longest time, that I forgot what it was like to use a system THAT JUST WORKED out of the box.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by nikau »

poisonborz wrote: post #127
mdp2021 wrote: post #123

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> Trivial app portability The "registry" is not an issue anymore?

A negligible percentage of apps use the registry to store configuration, and even if, when missing, it's not an issue. If absolutely needed, conf can be easily exported/imported on a per app basis. What's far more common is to store stuff in AppData, but that can be synced as well (with a whitelist).

I'm not sure how this is easier than just synching up your dotfiles on Linux

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by Talanes »

rlpb wrote: post #136
the__alchemist wrote: post #116

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You are misassessing how people use Desktop/Laptop computers. Ie you're assuming people will install Ubuntu, and leave it in its default state, or only use package managers.

I understand how people use their computers. I merely object to those people then blaming the distro for not writing software that can magically work around how they hacked it up.

Yeah, it's not the Distro's fault that they didn't design it for how people actually use their computers. How could they have guessed that would be an issue?

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by systemvoltage »

lordofgibbons wrote: post #120

A lot of negativity in this thread. I've been using Ubuntu for about 10 years and is my favorite distro after trying a few others. I went through the whole distro hoping thing and using Arch to set up everything just the way I wanted phase, and while very fun & educational, it isn't good for getting things done. Ubuntu just works and let's me be productive with things I care about. Thank you Ubuntu team!

Not enough negativity I think. Positive feedback loop without a reality check is not confronting the real issues. Ubuntu has many.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by mdp2021 »

dylan-m wrote: post #178
mdp2021 wrote: post #137

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> You probably don't recall how bad Gnome 3 was initially I do, and I have never seen its face again since then and the huge upsetting of ruining what worked well, and to create something perverse. And unless it was fixed very recently, it still is, because I just tried `gnome-font-viewer` and there are fades in the interface that cannot seem to be disabled. Unjustifiable. Not just the desktop manager: the paradigm.…

> there are fades in the interface that cannot seem to be disabled. Unjustifiable. That's an accessibility option. GNOME Settings -> Accessibility -> Enable Animations; or `gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface enable-animations false`. Should apply everywhere.

> org.gnome.desktop.interface enable-animations

Yes, but it does not disable the fades, nor all the gratuitous animations I see in the GUI of gnome-font-viewer (one of the very few pieces I can try not having uninstalled it). Those animations must have been hardcoded in the software, it must probably be recompiled - and I do not take it for granted they can be disabled through a configuration flag.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by mmcdermott »

beefjerkins wrote: post #35
_xy8h wrote: post #29

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Proton. Play on Linux. Lutris.

Yeah, gaming on Linux has seriously come a long way thanks to the efforts of Valve and the wider community. My main issue with gaming on linux is cloud saves; while it generally will work with Steam, other platforms like GoG have no such capacity, and it's a real drag compared to Windows.

I recently set up Game Backup Monitor (http://mikemaximus.github.io/gbm-web/linux.html) for GOG games. The backup location is in OneDrive. I do have to import the backup manually, but the combination eases the pain.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by n8cpdx »

marcodiego wrote: post #183
n8cpdx wrote: post #148

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If you want to use a multitouch trackpad fluently, Elementary is is the only game in town. It has macOS-level support which is pretty cool.

https://youtu.be/aKlmV-EiqVk?t=45

Can't edit my comment but thanks for pointing this out. For anyone not wanting to watch the video, apparently this release includes trackpad multitouch support comparable to elementary.

It looks like Ubuntu is now comparable to Elementary. I'm going to be trying this out ASAP. Ubuntu with Wayland does a much better job with high and mixed DPI display setups. Maybe now I won't have to choose between running my 4k display at full resolution and using my trackpad.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by pxc »

capableweb wrote: post #3

Funny, I run Ubuntu on my laptop and tried just today to upgrade it (since I'm on 18.04 and have been for a while). But no matter how I try, `do-release-upgrade` won't do the upgrade, complaining about third party repositories (removed all of them as a result), mismatched python versions, and a load of other issues. When I fix one, another one appears. Tried for 5 hours today and eventually gave up. On the other hand…

For my part, I prefer NixOS, too, and it works just fine on a laptop.

However: do-release-upgrade is really conservative about shutting everything down and reversing as much as possible if anything goes wrong. But if you know your way around apt and dpkg and you know how to mount a borked system and chroot it, you don't really need do-release-upgrade. Just manually hack up your apt sources to the next LTS release and use your favorite apt frontend (aptitude is probably best for this) to upgrade and full-upgrade your way through it. Use dpkg with some --force flags if the state of things gets really messed up.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by x-shadowban »

ezekiel68 wrote: post #191
outworlder wrote: post #32

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> Sounds like you have a really hacked up system there Some people would call this 'a system that's actually being used to do something'. Don't blame users unless it's clear they are doing something egregious with the system. Installing a different Python version shouldn't break installers, but here we are. Ubuntu should have taken a page from CoreOS, NixOS and even Arch. CoreOS with their immutable system partitions…

Installing a different Python version shouldn't break installers, but here we are. laughs in https://xkcd.com/1987/ .

Hah I always imagine this is what we will finally determine DNA to mostly be.
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