I almost feel dumb asking this, but what does “zero cost egress” actually mean?
Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
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#192I almost feel dumb asking this, but what does “zero cost egress” actually mean?
Cost of moving data out of the network. See https://aviatrix.com/learn-center/cloud-security/egress-and-...
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#193I almost feel dumb asking this, but what does “zero cost egress” actually mean?
Cost of moving data out of the network. See https://aviatrix.com/learn-center/cloud-security/egress-and-...
So this means free download? So if I host a 1tb file on r2, I pay for the storage but download is unlimited? Seems like a pretty good deal.
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#194Slight miscalculation which should have been obvious: "For example, Backblaze B2’s free operations threshold is capped at 2,500 a day, and if R2 simply let you make a GetObject request every second of every day, that would be something like 86,400 FREE daily Gets, which would cost ~$335 daily on B2 or $122,000 a year." Backblaze B2 Class B operations are priced at $0.004 per 10k operations which the author did not ta…
I wonder how this compares with Wasabi. I was very bullish on them a few years ago.
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Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
#195I think this question misses the point. Few organisations use just S3 - they use the entire AWS ecosystem, of which S3 plays a central part. The biggest blocker for most enterprises is probably AWS IAM integration. With S3 I can write a bucket policy that references roles that can be assumed by instances, Lambda functions, people via SSO etc. With R2, I now need to worry about how to securely distribute credentials t…
Fair point, my previous organization also used IAM extensively and I don't know how we could have fulfilled our compliance requirements without it.
That being said, in that case you pay what you get for. S3 is not just storage, it's integrated with the rest of the AWS ecosystem.
But if you write a small service/product that just needs to store and transfer a lot of data 1) IAM is not needed and almost more a burden but 2) you can have it cheaper elsewhere e.g. R2 now
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're trying to drive up their volumes in the hope of obtaining more peering. This is evidently the core of Cloudflare's business strategy, emerging in practically everything they do tactically; from Matthew Prince having an epic public sook earlier this year about AWS's network team telling him to jump in a lake, to this. Peering drives down the marginal cost of bandwidth, and this is super relevant since Cloudfla…
Source on the lake thing?
Not a literal lake, that's just a colourful metaphor for being rebuffed.
The fact of it is evident from the Cloudflare blog, but I don't particularly recommend giving that the time of day, since as with all content marketing it is also self-serving humbug.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
> diversifies your presence across multiple providers. In this case, for most AWS/CF customers, that diversification is of the "downtime on either represents downtime for their customer" variety. (I'm still a fan of this offering and the pressure it put on the current high price of egress bandwidth, of course.)
If S3 was down would R2 be down for the customer? If R2 was down could you re-route back to S3? Diversifying infrastructure provides additional options to mitigate outages.
If S3 was down, R2 would be up but the rest of your app on AWS would probably be down in the affected (based on the cascading failures in prior S3 outages) so most AWS users are going to be down.
If R2 was down and you didn’t rely on anything else that relied on R2, sure, you could repoint DNS and/or issue S3-direct URLs and then clean it up on the way back out.
“Additional options” doesn’t come without “additional complexity” and that complexity has a cost.
R2’s a great cost-saving move here; I don’t think it’s a reliability improvement generally.
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#198There are simply too many object store vendors, with different storage pricing, egress pricing, network speed, and reliabilities. What about using SeaweedFS gateway to remote object store? https://github.com/chrislusf/seaweedfs/wiki/Gateway-to-Remot... Basically you can think it is a cache. You operate with normal S3 APIs, and the data will be uploaded to remote storage asynchronously (most vendors have free uploadin…
I'll take a look at this for a future content piece. Please email me austinpena \[at\]taloflow . ai if you've used it, I'd love to hear your thoughts!
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#199Where are all the Backblaze marketing folk? :) B2 has an offer at present where they will eat the cost of a one-time S3 egress in exchange for a 1 year storage commitment. This offer is much more transparent, although I do still admire CloudFlare's strategy here.
Echoing this. We've just made use of that very offer to shift >2billion objects (120TB) from S3 to B2. Migration took over a month but we weren't billed for any of it and are very happy so far.
Just curious, were you optimising for storage or serving costs, and were the expected savings realized? I've been itching to try live serving out of B2, but its latency jumps around quite a lot, and the hot cache layer does not stream large (>100MB) objects during first fetch, so it's not without some downsides.
Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?
#200I think this question misses the point. Few organisations use just S3 - they use the entire AWS ecosystem, of which S3 plays a central part. The biggest blocker for most enterprises is probably AWS IAM integration. With S3 I can write a bucket policy that references roles that can be assumed by instances, Lambda functions, people via SSO etc. With R2, I now need to worry about how to securely distribute credentials t…
I think you overestimate the number of people who want to so lock themselves into a particular provider that they would use that provider's auth systems.
There are lots of different use cases for lots of different things. Since Cloudflare doesn't have the compute-type services that AWS has, rather is more specifically aimed at web-serving type services, I think their design here makes a lot of sense.
As a user that Cloudflare would target (someone who works on web sites and web-based apps), IAM is an annoyance to me that I would gladly not use on AWS if I could just toggle it off and replace it with a simpler permissions system.