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Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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So here is an idea about deleting accounts. Usually people may want to undo it sometime but if it's deleted it is deleted. One of the things required by the GDPR is a way to export your data and even import it (article 20, right to portability). So you should implement a way to do that. Then when users ask to delete their account, create an export, encrypt it with a one-time use key which you mail to the user, store…

Technically very smart solution, but legally way too risky. If there's ever a breach, for example someone steals the key and then accesses the data, the fine will be super high given that the company has retrained data after the user asked to delete it. To mitigate such risk, the company would at least need explicit consent of the user, at which point it's just as simply asking the user to not really delete their acc…

> for example someone steals the key and then accesses the data

It was why I schemed it so the key is sent to the user but not kept by you. Someone steals the user key? They can ask for a restore but they won't have access to the data unless they've got the user login info too. An employee steals the encrypted data? Enjoy the time spent cracking the cryptography.

A little like one of the solutions for deletion in Event Sourced systems but instead of completely losing the keys, you give it to the user first.

Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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//Imagine, you're living outside of USA/UK/Europe. Are you saying that Facebook doesn’t enable full account delete outside of countries that require it by law?

There's no reason to believe it's a "full" account delete even in the countries covered by the GDPR considering they brazenly breach the GDPR with their "consent" flow.

So why are there no consequences? Why isn't there a red corner Interpol arrest warrant for Zuck out?

Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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I got rid of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp about 4 years ago. Facebook and Instagram was easy, but people who have WhatsApp really think you’re weird for not having it. Deleting WhatsApp, while annoying for me personally, has resulted in many people I know joining Signal or Telegram — the network effect can be broken by being belligerent. If you don’t want to have a conversation about why you deleted WhatsApp, si…

Is the problem that a lot of non-US mobile providers don't include SMS for free?

I'm probably showing my ignorance around SMS and iMessage, but why can't SMS simply use your data allowance? Doesn't iMessage do this?

Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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I got rid of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp about 4 years ago. Facebook and Instagram was easy, but people who have WhatsApp really think you’re weird for not having it. Deleting WhatsApp, while annoying for me personally, has resulted in many people I know joining Signal or Telegram — the network effect can be broken by being belligerent. If you don’t want to have a conversation about why you deleted WhatsApp, si…

I don't understand how telegram is less immoral than Facebook.

Facebook is a monopolist, Telegram is not

Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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Most of the time tech companies have their fans and detractors. In virtually any discussion about tech companies, you’ll find people for the company in question, and others against, Apple and Google are great examples. I find it interesting that I don’t think I’ve ever come across any discussion about Facebook (and I read a lot of them) where anyone is defending them. Either people are strongly against the company, o…

At least in my opinion for this on HN, you get downvoted very quickly on HN to have such an opinion. I work for FAANG. I generally dont comment on HN but recently I read every thread about FAANG to have a thread that read like you should be ashamed to work there. I replied, Even before i worked there, I used their products to keep in touch woth my family/friends, at a startup I worked at we used open source tech from…

FWIW, I own stock in a lot of companies that are net-negatives for society directly and through index funds. When these companies succeed in the market I get a consolation prize.

In our modern market, I don't believe that my owning FB stock is contributing to their success. If I were to work for them I would be.

Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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The irony here that it's harder to delete your HN account and all your comments

I wonder at the time limit to edit/delete a comment on HN. I try to think carefully about the things I say and often have a change in heart about saying something long after the change window has expired. Is the logic behind this limit explained anywhere?

Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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From data modelling point of view it's a challenge to wipe the user data since it will affect a social graph. And there're different strategies to handle corner cases (e.g. how to deal with reactions/replies on "deleted" comments or with reactions on your photos or your reactions on different news, mark as deleted and wipe the content or completely remove nested graph). And it actually makes user tracking much harder…

This all seems to be problems for them surveillance capitalist, and not the user.

exactly...I regularly see arguments about how technical compliance with laws or user wishes as 'its hard' as if 'hard' is a counter argument to compliance...

Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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I'm hard boycotting Facebook now. I've never had an account with them and only used WhatsApp, but stopped using that a while ago. Used to enjoy my Oculus Rift, sold it when the forced account merging was announced and bought an Index to replace it. I was at a conference today and skipped a talk by a Facebook engineer. As petty as it sounds, I'm staying clear of anyone or anything associated with FB. Everyone working for them is complicit.

Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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> An unregulated private company asking you for official government documentation and your real name is definitely tracking you in my opinion. This is nothing unusual? It’s extremely common for a private company to request identify verification

Is it? Maybe its my unconscious avoidance of industries with that practice, but the only other private corporation I can think of that has requested my ID is Costco. I can't think of a single software service or social media that has wanted my ID for anything. On the other hand, Facebook has never asked for my ID either, I assume because I have an old enough account that I was grandfathered in. Edit: I thought of two…

Oh I can think of many others: cryptocurrency exchanges, many payment providers, some server providers, Twitter (during verification), freelancing platforms (like Upwork) and even Pornhub.

Sometimes it's a legal obligation (under KYC), sometimes it's pressure from credit card companies, and sometimes it's just websites making shit up to enforce their own rules.

Re: How to permanently delete your Facebook account

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Interoperability between these systems should be a public policy goal. I don't have to buy an AT&T phone anymore to call my friends; not sure why I have to buy iOS to chat with them.

What if we made a Internet Standard for messaging and presence?

SMS, MMS, and RCS are examples of such standards, although only SMS/MMS have full support on both iphone and android.
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