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I think that Apple suffers from not having that person at the top with taste who was willing to say “this is shit”. The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. There were misses under Steve like the Cube where there wasn’t a market. But the product was great. Now there is a market but the product is middling like the Watch. Yes the watch was started when he w…

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I think that Apple suffers from not having that person at the top with taste who was willing to say “this is shit”. The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. There were misses under Steve like the Cube where there wasn’t a market. But the product was great. Now there is a market but the product is middling like the Watch. Yes the watch was started when he w…

The overall software quality has dropped markedly at Apple and the hardware more uneven since he left. Mostly on the Mac. The butterfly keyboard and how Apple handled it, were terrible. And macOS quality had gone down release after release. But I have never had any serious software or hardware quality issues with the iPhone, Apple Watch, AirPods or any other products. It seems that they had just lost focus on the Mac…

> Mostly on the Mac.

iOS 11 and 13 were both pretty crappy, not to mention weird misses like the Podcasts app. I can't see those releasing when Steve Jobs was at the helm, unless the situation was desperate. (An example of a desperate situation would be when you’re current products run Mac OS 9).

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Have you used iOS 15?

Agreed. Even a little thing like Safari having the close button on the wrong side in iOS 15 would have gotten someone fired. Multitasking in iPadOS is also a good example of non-Mac software being near unusable.

iPad in general screams of directionless product development.

I have an M1 iPad Pro. The thing is so fucking fast, just let me do a bit of coding on it.

... or let me rename file extensions.

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Have you used the new Podcasts app? It can’t even do the fundamental job of a podcast app - “show me the episodes I haven’t listened to yet”

I thought Podcasts was derided even when it was first released within a year after Jobs' passing, so it being a bad app is continuity from that era if anything

Podcasts feels like one of those apps Steve wouldn't have used, so it wouldn't have seen as much polish. I suspect this is why Keynote is fantastic but Pages and Numbers were unusable (at least, the last time I attempted to use them regularly, about 10 years ago)

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Apple Maps directions now mispronounces the word "South" (who knew it had three syllables?). This word is so common in street names I'm shocked it made it out of testing.

Apple Maps is horrible for driving navigation. Relevant information like route number of the next turn is much smaller than it needs to be. The directions are floating in space over the map which looks nice but wastes space on the margins. The directions themselves are in a box that also wastes tons of space. If you reach a destination navigation is cancelled but you cant re-start navigation from there. So if you arr…

In New Orleans today Apple Maps a) directed me across a bridge closed to vehicular traffic since Katrina b) directed me down a flooded street -- all in the same trip!

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Ten years ago I was at Infinite Loop, when Apple held a special event in memory of Steve. Everybody was wearing sunglasses to hide their tears, even Tim and Jony. I remember Jonys speech quite vividly as it showed how truly close they were. He joked about how he would never unpack his bags upon arriving at a hotel because Steve would call him and say the hotel is shit so they had to move immediately after checking in…

> He joked about how he would never unpack his bags upon arriving at a hotel because Steve would call him and say the hotel is shit so they had to move immediately after checking in. I think it’s those human connections he made that made him so great. This is awful, no? There are people like that who can never be pleased. Usually narcissists. I fail to see where the human connection is in being a crybaby Karen. Not t…

Yes. Reading threads about Jobs you'd think everyone's brother had died.

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He honestly sounds like a terrible person in every single story one hears about him. Either these are fabrications, or he really was impossible to be around. What an interesting and unique individual.

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This thread reminds me of the last Steve Jobs related thread. So many people bashing Jobs based on stories they’ve read having never met him and knowing little about him. People seem to think they even know his private medical history based on only public reports. So much judgement and criticism and it feels completely unnecessary. It’s the kind of pointless outrage type comments we tend not to find very often on HN,…

I like to think all reasonable computer nerds recognize the duality that created Apple: incredible engineering (Woz) combined with incredible passion, marketing and drive (Jobs). The problem is people point to Jobs as an example of unacceptable behaviours that are excused by his results. Yet somehow Woz showed us you could do really ingenious engineering AND be a decent human being, but they don't teach this in busin…

The “Steve Jobs” movie written by Soorkin does such a good job examining this question by having the two of them fight over the relative importance of their contributions. Since one of character-Woz’s strongest lines is “you can be decent and brilliant at the same time,” I assume you’ve seen it. If not, you should! Everybody here should, it’s a brilliant film.

One of the things that character-Jobs says is (something along the lines of) “you’d be the easiest A at Palo Alto highschool right now if it wasn’t for me.” What he’s getting at is that Woz didn’t know how to channel his engineering talent into successful ambition. This makes the question a lot more complex: it’s not “can you be talented & kind,” it’s “can you be talented & kind & successfully ambitious.” Character-Jobs is asserting that his ruthlessness, his faults, were a necessity for these things to happen with Apple.

The film probes at these questions from just about every angle. Perhaps not coincidentally, it portrays his greatest success at the time when character-Jobs is most able to be at peace with himself and work other people.

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Steve quotes in the video "I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been" which is of course a Wayne Gretsky quote, and I think it captures this sentiment very well. Moving from leader to follower is such a classic move for an incumbent like Apple, and with Steve they never seemed to lose that insurgent mindset, even when they were absolutely enormous. They've steadily stagnated and truly lost that…

Did you know Steve Jobs personally? I'm stupefied as to how someone who didn't know him socially can miss a CEO of a giant faceless corporation, especially one known to be such a monumental asshole. I mean his company made consumer products. It's like saying you miss the former CEO of Braun. I honestly don't get it.

The answer of this question is complicated and requires mastery in psychology. In layman terms is something about religious experience mixed with father figure and deep symbolism. People need something to believe and worship, this is part of multinational traditions in different forms. I personally have used Apple computers from purely UX an UI motivation, never trusted a slogan or marketing "reality distortion field", never been an early adopter or Apple fetishist. Simply put, in one distant point in time Macs were the ultimate professional tools. UNIX based, clean, logical software with reliable and beautifully designed hardware.

Now they are just a services and fashion company with hardware appliances as vehicles for vertical integration.

I respected Jobs intuition towards product design and execution but never "idolized" him for a second.

Even today, people don't get it, thousands of talented and faceless people are involved in Apples success but everything that the world can see is the face of the CEO and marketing presentation (This on second thought is one of biggest Jobs innovations).

The bigger problem is that we are "stuck" in Jobs vision of "user oriented" product (which figures as Tim Cook effectively abused and shifted towards monopoly, politics and shareholders driven existence) and cannot move forward.

The success stories of Jobs and Apple are considered "The Holly Grail" of tech companies and we have even some impostors using perception tricks (Elizabeth Holmes).

It is sad and frightening at the same time. If User Centered Design was really applied (not only advertised) the current state of personal computing would include real focus on encryption, privacy, data protection and accessibility, not some fetishistic obsession with tech specs and decoration in the name of "perception of progress" or corporate profits.

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Mixed feelings about him honestly. I still can't forget how he betrayed Wozniak.

Having read multiple Jobs biographies, it also seemed to me that he may have been bipolar, but unmedicated because of his stance on medication. Sometimes very hard to work with or be around. People ascribe incredible genius to this guy, but forget that he could be a very impulsive, arrogant and sometimes cruel human being. Regarding Steve Wozniak, that's another big issue. Not only the betrayal, but it betrays a divi…

Jobs was chronically focused on producing products that were ahead of the market. As a consequence, the Macintosh and the NeXT were incredible, forward-looking, and overpriced for the market.

I’m by no means happy or in agreement with his “closed system” thinking, but it’s worth noting that the iPhone was exactly that.

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