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Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by KronisLV »

lupire wrote: post #164
chongli wrote: post #116

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It's more like $300+ dollars but there's another, more important point: hard drives fail. If we're talking about YouTube creators who spend hours producing culturally relevant content, we're going to want a much more robust backup strategy than simply throwing it on an external hard drive. Is it possible for a home user to build a storage system with high availability and off-site backups? Sure. Will it be affordable…

It takes 20 minutes to sign up for 4 separate cloud storage accounts and upload to all of them. Or seed a BitTorrent. Or both.

I have to somewhat agree: the more of these services you upload the same file to, the greater the chances of at least one of these copies surviving over a prolonged period of time.

Now, i cannot recall what it was called, but there was this one app that could upload files to dozens of them at the same time, provided that you have the accounts - if the files aren't publicly listed and don't compromise your privacy, that's definitely a route to consider.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by robin_reala »

dexen wrote: post #110
marcus_holmes wrote: post #23

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Headcanon accepted. The fae are notoriously afraid of iron, and harmed by merely touching it. What's the equivalent for Google?

Unlocked smartphones, where the user can easily install third party apps, including browser with ad blocker. Emphasis on easily - if it ever becomes straightforward, without going through scary settings menu, Google will be quite scared.

Firefox Mobile is in Google Play Store, and trivially has an ad blocker installed?

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by Supermancho »

awb wrote: post #174
some_random wrote: post #120

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The idea that displaying {bad thing} inherently encourages {bad thing} is a dangerous idea imo, and one that comes up time and time again.

It seems self-evident that normalizing a behavior helps to propagate it. It's obviously not the sole driver of a behavior, but trends grow the more they're displayed / normalized, no? For example, many people jaywalk because they see people doing it all the time without consequences.

The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory is a thing.

Some kid inevitably sees it on the internet with 12m views. He has been wanting to start a channel on his own and thinks "I'll punch my unsuspecting brother on camera, how funny!" now someone's in the hospital. Don't blame the bullets or the gun, blame the wielder who is a minor. Who is to blame for such an eventuality? I see a danger that Goog is potentially liable for.

Kids are on the internet. There is a higher bar for moderation than people want now (partly because of it), but that's how it is.

I don't have a problem with this video being taken down.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by snerbles »

skissane wrote: post #94
theandrewbailey wrote: post #22

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Not just history of the internet: Youtube takes down videos of war crimes. Destroying or covering up evidence of war crimes is, itself, a war crime. I'm surprised that Youtube isn't in hot water over that. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170812/01102937985/once-... https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/youtube-ai-deletes-war-cr...

> Youtube takes down videos of war crimes. Destroying or covering up evidence of war crimes is, itself, a war crime. I'm surprised that Youtube isn't in hot water over that. Do they actually delete the videos? For all we know, the video is still stored on Google's servers indefinitely, there is just a flag set which blocks public access to it. If a government or UN agency asks for a copy of the video, is Google able…

That's the rub of it...eventually there will be crimes that involve said "proper authorities" who will not want the public to know.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by justusthane »

anaisbetts wrote: post #154
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #105

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How about the ones you liked? I was thinking about this a few months ago and wish there was some sort of background app that could keep and eye on my YT accounts likes and archive them.

Here it is - https://github.com/bbilly1/tubearchivist

In a comment[1] on a related thread a few weeks ago, someone pointed out that if you pass youtube-dl a playlist URL instead of an individual video, it will download all the videos on the playlist. Thus, you should be able to just have a cronjob that calls youtube-dl on a specific playlist every so often.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28482923

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by romwell »

eecc wrote: post #187
romwell wrote: post #157

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> Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens Oh, come on. A Youtube video is culture just like ancient Greek plays are culture, or Sumerian cuneiform tablets. There is an overconsumption problem, but even if it wasn't there, that'd still be the culture that we'd want to at least archive.

Well, most of it is just trash that won’t make anyone less rich if lost. It’s like putting a script of Antigone and a sex advertising graffiti in Pompeii on the same level.

Sex-advertising graffiti in Pompeii are still valuable cultural artifacts that let us know what life in Pompeii was like.

There are two orthogonal reasons for culture to be preserved:

* there are things that will be valuable to future generations to build upon and enrich them

* someone in the future would ask, what was life like in 2020, and without the "trash" culture, the answer will be very much off the mark

Trash or not trash, this is what we have.

This is why archive.org is important, this is why preserving Usenet archives is important, and why I'm happy that many geocities websites were archived before Yahoo axed them.

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Post by reducesuffering »

zepolen wrote: post #88
rewma wrote: post #83

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> If only Hacker News crowd noticed when thousands of videos with interviews, medical lectures, news footage and even congressional testimonies were removed for political reasons within the last couple years. Do you happen to have any reference that points out which content was removed for political reasons? You're on HN. If said censorship exists then nothing stops you from pointing it on HN.

HN is cens^H^H^H^H moderated too, you're in lala land if you think otherwise.

Even 4chan is moderated. You're welcome to join 8chan or whatever other unmoderated cesspool exists and enjoy it's riveting discussion...

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by bitwize »

monocasa wrote: post #188
bitwize wrote: post #182

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It was common in the late 18th century to provide a rationale for the passage of a law, but the law itself by its very passage becomes legitimate irrespective of whether it fulfills its stated purpose. The rationale doesn't restrict the scope of the law, it's simply a belt onion: there because "it was the style at the time". Courts have ruled that the justification in the Second Amendment, of establishing and protect…

> does not bind the amendment to apply only to the establishment and protection of a body designated as the militia It does, but only because US code says that there's two militias. The organized militias (the National Guards), and the unorganized militias consisting of every able bodied man 17-45. Since the 14th amendment was written later, that bit of code is now interpreted to mean all adults. https://www.law.corn…

That's not the interpretation used by the Supreme Court in D.C. v. Heller:

> The Supreme Court held:

> (1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.

> (a) The Amendment's prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause's text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

Per Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Hell...

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by zepolen »

reducesuffering wrote: post #197
zepolen wrote: post #88

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HN is cens^H^H^H^H moderated too, you're in lala land if you think otherwise.

Even 4chan is moderated. You're welcome to join 8chan or whatever other unmoderated cesspool exists and enjoy it's riveting discussion...

Even 8chan contains more thought provoking two sided discussion than some echo chambers.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by silicon2401 »

romwell wrote: post #157
silicon2401 wrote: post #138

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> but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. I couldn't agree with this more. It's our culture and it's our life. Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens instead of being in touch with nature and living off the land or pursuing our own passions? Yeah, it is. But it is what it is. We are defined by our experiences, memories, and…

> Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens Oh, come on. A Youtube video is culture just like ancient Greek plays are culture, or Sumerian cuneiform tablets. There is an overconsumption problem, but even if it wasn't there, that'd still be the culture that we'd want to at least archive.

I disagree entirely. This quote explains my view better than I could word it:

> The term culture industry (German: Kulturindustrie) was coined by the critical theorists Theodor Adorno (1903–1969) and Max Horkheimer (1895–1973), and was presented as critical vocabulary in the chapter "The Culture Industry: Enlightenment as Mass Deception", of the book Dialectic of Enlightenment (1947), wherein they proposed that popular culture is akin to a factory producing standardized cultural goods—films, radio programmes, magazines, etc.—that are used to manipulate mass society into passivity.[1] Consumption of the easy pleasures of popular culture, made available by the mass communications media, renders people docile and content, no matter how difficult their economic circumstances.[1] The inherent danger of the culture industry is the cultivation of false psychological needs that can only be met and satisfied by the products of capitalism; thus Adorno and Horkheimer especially perceived mass-produced culture as dangerous to the more technically and intellectually difficult high arts. In contrast, true psychological needs are freedom, creativity, and genuine happiness, which refer to an earlier demarcation of human needs, established by Herbert Marcuse.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_industry

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