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‘Every message was copied to the police’

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> Either because of a lack of technical knowhow, or fear for his safety, Ramos refused, and pleaded guilty to running a criminal enterprise, a charge for which he was sentenced to nine years in prison Wait a second, why would he have to go to prison? If all he did was selling phones, what charges could there possibly be? I'm also missing a third option that he refused to cooperate "for idiological reasons".

If you knowingly work with and for criminals congrats you're committing a crime too basically anywhere. A LocalBitcoins guy I knew briefly got charged (on top of the usual illegal money tranmission charges) a bit back for selling coins to an undercover after they implied the money came from selling cocaine.

But how would he have known? It's not like criminals are "Uh hey yeah we're going to use your phone in our murder preparations kthxbye". The mere thought "Hm that guys look a bit sketchy" isn't enough to be thrown into jail, is it?

Re: ‘Every message was copied to the police’

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post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you knowingly work with and for criminals congrats you're committing a crime too basically anywhere. A LocalBitcoins guy I knew briefly got charged (on top of the usual illegal money tranmission charges) a bit back for selling coins to an undercover after they implied the money came from selling cocaine.

But how would he have known? It's not like criminals are "Uh hey yeah we're going to use your phone in our murder preparations kthxbye". The mere thought "Hm that guys look a bit sketchy" isn't enough to be thrown into jail, is it?

That’s why they’ll usually send in an undercover to be particularly indiscreet so they can prove you knew.

Re: ‘Every message was copied to the police’

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post #186

This just goes to show that you can't trust any messaging app or phone to be "secure". Imagine if there was a small handheld device that you could type messages into (along with a secret phrase or a private key), and it would spit out a string of encrypted text that could be entered into ANY messaging app (or even published publicly on a billboard if you wanted). You could even encode the encrypted text as a scannabl…

If we're being paranoid that separate device could also be compromised so that the messages could be decrypted with another key other than the main key(s) used by either party.

Very true. This is why ideally that device would have open source schematics and source code.
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