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Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by lmilcin »

tehjoker wrote: post #180
photochemsyn wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stealing information and protecting their position is pretty common in the corporate world, in fact that's how many corporations ensure their continued profitability. What you have in China is equivalent to "US Government" + "Big Tech" - "Bill of Rights".

Given the erosion in the bill of rights here, I suspect things are on a similar playing field. The main difference is the US government only censors using indirect means or by attacking the providers of information like Julian Assange. Did we forget that the NSA is collecting most of the traffic on the internet?

I still say there is a big difference between intercepting the Internet traffic and saying that giving unlimited access to the information is a prerequisite to doing business.

Just think US government decided to imprison Apple executives and put their own in place of them unless Apple gave unlimited access to all their devices to US agencies.

Also the way China uses this information -- to control minorities, punish "thought crime", erase historical events and uncomfortable topics from public.

Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by systemvoltage »

EMM_386 wrote: post #183
systemvoltage wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking over drones owned by hobbyists. There seems to be a onslaught of positive DJI YouTube videos about how creating a user account is great and easy. Including fake comments praising DJI. Just search on YT DJI Mavic Pro setup. All this is too suspicious for me. I returned the drone for obvious reasons but millions of people are already buying into the ecosystem.

> All this is too suspicious for me. I returned the drone for obvious reasons but millions of people are already buying into the ecosystem. We're way past the point of no return with all of this. At some point you just have to accept the new normal. Some of this should be handled by national security teams but I am unsure where we stand (US). I'm surprised Lithuania of all places takes a firm stand on Chinese phones,…

I’m not sure if I agree with defeatist attitude. I’d do whatever I can. But, I do agree that this needs to be taken care of at the legislation / national security level and citizens shouldn’t have to.

Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by lmilcin »

marderfarker2 wrote: post #188
lmilcin wrote: post #62

I wonder why is anybody still surprised. China has no qualms invading privacy of anybody. They will try any and every way to get whatever they need and they are pretty effective at it. Ever read about making business in China? What we call cheating or stealing is a standard business practice there. If you point it out they will back off and try somewhere else, ad nauseam. It is practically part of Chinese culture and…

> It is practically part of Chinese culture and upbringing. Wow. Didn’t expect such blanket and shallow statement on HN. Are you a Chinese yourself? On what basis do you base your assumptions on? Really. > What we call cheating or stealing is a standard business practice there. If you point it out they will back off and try somewhere else, ad nauseam. Now this is something that is attributable to human behaviour. Pre…

> But why did you single out the Chinese?

For my experience working with Chinese and other peoples' reports of the same?

I have worked for a company that has outsourced production to a Chinese company. They would try new trick every other month. Replacing parts for cheaper substitutes, skipping process steps, using counterfeit components. You point it out, they fix it, then they do the same when you are not looking at their hands.

Every time they are being polite about it, but you know, this happening almost every shipment is not an accident.

And even when you come with a solid proof they bend backwards to not admit they did it.

Read up on some other horror stories of outsourcing production to China.

Successfully outsourcing to China usually requires a sizable fleet of lawyers, constant presence at the production facility and inspecting every shipment for adherence to the contract.

Again, don't you understand the reason for why you buy Chinese from Chinese company and it immediately falls apart? Or tries to kill you? The Chinese companies that try to make quality products are a small minority. They do exist, my Andonstar soldering microscope and Rigol osciloscope is a proof of it, but they are an exception.

Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by dvh »

"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works.

Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by bassman9000 »

dvh wrote: post #194

"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works. Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

What can you send from your phone that will get you arrested by the FBI, vs what can get you arrested by Chinese forces? Is this a valid comparison?

Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by dvh »

bassman9000 wrote: post #196
dvh wrote: post #194

"Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence" or "democracy movement". Sent from my Xiaomi, let's see if it works. Anyway, I always thought if I have to use American phone backdoored by FBI or Chinese phone backdoored by China, I choose Chinese because they really cannot arrest me, unlike FBI.

What can you send from your phone that will get you arrested by the FBI, vs what can get you arrested by Chinese forces? Is this a valid comparison?

Nice try!

Re: Lithuania says throw away Chinese phones due to censorship concerns

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Post by hkmaxpro »

tasubotadas wrote: post #52

Are there any good non-Chinese smartphone besides Samsung? Preferably someone who delivers a stock android?

Pixel 5a. Made in Vietnam by the Taiwanese company Compal Electronics https://tw.appledaily.com/property/20210819/4W5C3MGDDJEILMIY...

Not Pixel 6 though. Still made in China https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/China-tech/COVID-slows-Appl...

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Post by game_the0ry »

eloisius wrote: post #170
game_the0ry wrote: post #128

I'm really not sure how serious I should take the threat of Chinese made electronics - almost all electronics are made China, not just Xaiomi and Hauwei. My iphone is made in China by Chinese contract manufacturer (Foxconn) - does that mean all iphones could be compromised with Chinese malware? It could be possible, but how can you tell? Is it possible to observe network packets going form my phone to a Chinese or Ch…

Just a nit because you’re mostly right, but Foxconn is a Taiwanese company that does its manufacturing in China.

Fair nit, my friend. I did not know that.
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